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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by 6R12
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:10 pm to
Might not be exactly what you are looking for but some Louie Giglio stuff is very interesting when he talks about the universe. There are several to select from. Despite that people just say "God didn't create the univere" it really does line up with science. This universe didn't pop up on it's on!!!! The universe is still expanding and has all the basics of what was spoken about in the Bible. The Bible in not a science book but God created, and it's still expanding. Don't fight against the creator bc it makes no sense to do so.
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:10 pm to
Try explaining that Adam and Eve were God’s first children and began the creation of humans….and that it wasn’t incest.

Posted by UncleRuckus
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:11 pm to
Where did god come from?
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:15 pm to
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Posted by cypresstiger
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:18 pm to
I asked a nun that in 4th grade. She said, Go home and ask your mother.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:23 pm to
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SuperSaint

Did you go to Mass again today??
Posted by dawg23
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:35 pm to
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How do you explain God creating the Universe? All the galaxy’s and planets and especially black holes. He wants to know why God made them. Advice please.


Show them pics taken by the Hubble telescope. LINK

Based on the Hubble images, the Milky Galaxy contains about 100 billion stars. And Hubble scientists now estimate that there are two trillion galaxies in the universe.

This didn't just happen without a Creator -- but how He did it, and when He did it, is beyond our ability to comprehend.

Just tell your kids it one of those things we'll never fully understand. That's why it's called Faith.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:42 pm to
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All the galaxy’s and planets and especially black holes. He wants to know why God made them.




Tell him to ask the Mormons. Pretty sure they are the only ones with a plan for all that space.
Posted by Kimist
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:46 pm to
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You are wrong.
Proverbs 22:6 says, Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


In other words, indoctrinate them early and teach them not to question things, because if they do, they will figure out that it isn't true.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:55 pm to
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In other words, indoctrinate them early and teach them not to question things, because if they do, they will figure out that it isn't true.

Yeah - why learn anything when you’re young? No need for piano lessons - learn that when you can pay for your own lessons. Who needs baseball? Or math? Or reading skills?

Don’t start anything young that may take a lifetime to appreciate.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:04 pm to
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How do you explain God creating the Universe? All the galaxy’s and planets and especially black holes. He wants to know why God made them. Advice please.

If you stick to the basics, he'll develop his own faith well into his 20s. Or, he'll reject it and attempt to find meaning in other things.

Faith and life is like a dance. I say this now at 33 years old. Nothing is black and white and rigid theology is usually not the answer, though its extremely beneficial to major on the majors.

God created ex nihilo, out of nothing. I don't think we're meant to understand it. Simply to behold his beauty.

Beauty, wonder, mystery, sacredness is the key. That's what our soul longs for though we try to supress it at times, and thats what Christ gives us in eternity. He will make all things new.

(Aside: Unfortunately Protestants have largely missed the boat on this, and don't even get me started on megachurches. But I'm blessed to go to a Protestant church that emphasizes what we need as humans. You can get this in some Catholic, E. Orthodox, and historic Protestant churches [Anglican, Reformed, Presbyterian, Lutheran]. Not every church strikes the right balance).

Now if you were to look at my previous posts on religion, you'd wonder who the hell the guy typing is. So it goes...
This post was edited on 12/26/21 at 2:21 pm
Posted by kisatchie53
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:06 pm to
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In other words, indoctrinate them early and teach them not to question things, because if they do, they will figure out that it isn't true.


It’s funny because you thought that post came across as intelligent
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:12 pm to
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Did you go to Mass again today??
no I will be at 2pm

Attending a baptism


You?
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:12 pm to
The people replying with "read Genesis chapter 1" are well intentioned but missing the point of the question. OP's kid asked why God created the universe, which is a pretty deep and serious question when you think about it.

OP, I did some searching and found two explanations that I thought were well written:

The first one is from a Catholic perspective, but also mentions the writing of a Protestant minister.
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If God is the perfection of virtues, including love and selflessness, then his creation is a logical result of his superabundant love and self-giving. He created the universe not for his good but for ours. The Baltimore Catechism puts it this way:

Question: Why did God make you?

Answer: God made me to know him, to love him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with him forever in heaven.

So, God’s creation of the universe does not contradict his perfection but in fact flows from it. Because God is perfect love, he gives being and life to his creation

The second is from an Orthodox Christian perspective.
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In summing up the teachings of the Holy Fathers of the Church, Saint John of Damascus writes on the reason for the creation: “Because, the Good and Most Kind God did not regard as sufficient the contemplation of Himself, but because of His excessive Goodness He took delight in creating beings which would benefit and participate in His kindness, has brought into being all creation- visible and invisible- out of non existence, including man, who is made of visible and invisible elements. He thinks and He builds, and His thoughts become deeds, which are accomplished by Word and fulfilled by the Spirit”.

BTW, good on you for taking your kid's question seriously instead of blowing him off.
This post was edited on 12/26/21 at 2:17 pm
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:13 pm to
Who said that a “day” on Gods calendar is bound by the duration of the time it takes the Earth to rotate once on its axis?
Everything was created from the fusion of hydrogen into helium and the gravity that fused helium into the heavy metals ejected into a solar system when the first draft of stars collapsed. Hydrogen is one proton, one electron - alpha & omega.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:14 pm to
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In other words, indoctrinate them early and teach them not to question things, because if they do, they will figure out that it isn't true.

Ha. It's actually so much more nuanced than that.

Train a child in wisdom, which means explaining the how and why and not just demanding the "what".

If you want an excellent biblical definition of Wisdom, it's provided in Proverbs 8. It ultimately points to Christ.

Wisdom is "order in creation", wisdom is logical and reasonable instead of chaotic and incoherent. Christ as the Logos or Divine Word is the ultimate example of Wisdom.

No, it's much more than indoctrination. It is attempting to provide answers to life's greatest questions by borrowing from a worldview that is built on order over chaos and good over evil. That, actually will be tough to depart from, but in a good and beneficial way.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:19 pm to
As a resource I like the Heidelberg Catechism as well as the New City Catechism, which is an updated version that includes a kid's edition. There's an app.
New City Catechism (ther's an app too).

This material originated in the 16th century German reformers. Reformed, not Lutheran.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:20 pm to
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(never been touched)


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Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:23 pm to
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Attending a baptism

Fun!!! Great to be Baptized on the feast of the Holy Family

Yes, we went today, too - two of the boys served at 7:30 Mass this morning (three served yesterday at Christmas Mass) brought the two lazy bums that didn’t get up for 7:30 to 11:30
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:26 pm to
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Because God is omnipotent, having unlimited power; able to do anything.

Leading to the paradox question: "Can God make a rock that is too heavy for him to lift?"
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