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re: 75 years ago right now....The city of Hiroshima disappeared from the face of the earth....
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:22 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:22 pm to RollTide1987
All I need to know about whether it was the right decision is that it took 2 bombs for them to surrender. 1 wasn’t enough...
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:27 pm to Dixie Normus
Even after the second bomb, there was an attempted coup by Japanese military leaders to overthrow Hirohito and keep fighting. There was a large faction of that population who wanted to literally fight to the last person. They were training kids how to fight hand to hand combat in case the Americans started invading their cities. It took two nuclear bombs and the threat of the Soviets coming from the north to get them to finally quit.
The bombs were absolutely necessary.
The bombs were absolutely necessary.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:29 pm to RollTide1987
We need to send Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Wuhan each a MOAB. Makes the 2 Japan got look like fire crackers.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:34 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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We need to send Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Wuhan each a MOAB. Makes the 2 Japan got look like fire crackers.
A well placed drone strike on the Three Gorges Dam would get the job done. No need to waste a nuke on them.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:34 pm to slackster
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This is understandable at the time, but it almost seems sadistic in hindsight.
Had to be done though, there is no argument there.
See this is what I don’t understand about all of this. People wring their hands over the 2 atomic bombs dropped, killing 150-200 k people, but don’t say shite about the fire bombing of Tokyo and elsewhere in Japan killing way more civilian lives, upwards of almost a million human beings, and displacing far more than that.
The atomic bombs made for a big show, but the firebombings were much more destructive and killed and displaced many many more, especially since the entire place was made of paper.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:39 pm to Mike da Tigah
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dropped, killing 150-200 k people, but don’t say shite about the fire bombing of Tokyo and elsewhere in Japan killing way more civilian lives, upwards of almost a million human beings, and displacing far more than that.
The firebombings were also very necessary. Conventional war tactics were not going to make them surrender until every last citizen in that country was dead. Midway took away their ability to conduct offensive operations for the rest of the war, yet they kept fighting for another three years after that.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:40 pm to VADawg
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The firebombings were also very necessary. Conventional war tactics were not going to make them surrender until every last citizen in that country was dead. Midway took away their ability to conduct offensive operations for the rest of the war, yet they kept fighting for another three years after that.
With the Japanese? Hell yeah it was necessary.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:50 pm to VADawg
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The firebombings were also very necessary. Conventional war tactics were not going to make them surrender until every last citizen in that country was dead. Midway took away their ability to conduct offensive operations for the rest of the war, yet they kept fighting for another three years after that.
In 3 years, we went from the small Doolittle Raid in '42 with minimal impact to a mission in '45 with over 300 bombers that killed over 100,000 people.
The growth of the American war machine was absolutely astonishing.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:52 pm to GetCocky11
Again...
F’ed around.
Found out.
F’ed around.
Found out.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:53 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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The photoreconnaissance planes were quite frankly there because we had no idea what was going to happen and needed some data to calibrate future designs and devices.
Yeah I understand why we had them there. That's why I said it only seems sadistic now that we know what happened. Of course at the time they made perfect sense.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:56 pm to Mike da Tigah
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See this is what I don’t understand about all of this. People wring their hands over the 2 atomic bombs dropped, killing 150-200 k people, but don’t say shite about the fire bombing of Tokyo and elsewhere in Japan killing way more civilian lives, upwards of almost a million human beings, and displacing far more than that.
I'm not remotely criticizing the decisions at the time. I'm talking about the 2020 thought of flying another plane just to take pictures feels weird.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:05 pm to rt3
Another interesting fact: Dr Ted Fujita resided and taught in Kokura and thus his life was spared when Nagasaki was ultimately chosen for the second bomb. Dr Fujita studied the effects of downbursts and microbursts generated by the nuclear bombs. He later immigrated to the USA, teaching and researching at the University of Chicago, where he studied severe storms and developed the Fujita Scale, used to measure the severity and intensity of tornadoes. Some of the same patterns of structural and landscape damage exist in tornadoes, as did in the nuclear bombs.
In 1978 Dr Fujita visited Bossier City after a violent F4 tornado had devastated the city. While there in Bossier, he most certainly would have seen, if not visited, Barksdale AFB, home of the 2d Bomb Wing and its fleet of B-52s.
History often makes fascinating twists, turns and circles.
In 1978 Dr Fujita visited Bossier City after a violent F4 tornado had devastated the city. While there in Bossier, he most certainly would have seen, if not visited, Barksdale AFB, home of the 2d Bomb Wing and its fleet of B-52s.
History often makes fascinating twists, turns and circles.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:07 pm to rt3
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and there's at least 1 report of someone who had leukemia actually being aided by the radiation from the bomb blast
...if it saves one life...
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:12 pm to VADawg
The firebombing of Tokyo and other Japanese cities was also necessary because the Japanese had lost a lot of their large factories in earlier bombings and had started switching to "cottage" industry war production. So you could have three or four smaller factories in a residential neighborhood even down to individual houses containing machine shops and machine tooling to continue producing things for the Japanese war machine.
As for war crimes and other heinous shite look into Unit 731, and what they did in China.
As for war crimes and other heinous shite look into Unit 731, and what they did in China.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:29 pm to TigerBR1111
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Terrible but ironically it probably saved many more lives than it took.
Won’t stop the twitter mob from forming. Idiots.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:31 pm to choppadocta
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As for war crimes and other heinous shite look into Unit 731, and what they did in China.
Unit 731 is well known. Less well known are stories like the Japanese tying a bunch of Indian POWs to the top of a submarine and then diving the submarine while the POWs were still on deck. They were also known to bomb hospital ships, rape and execute nurses, cut flesh from live POWs, cook it, eat it, and leave said POWs for dead.
In 1944, they herded 150 American POWs into air raid shelters, trapped them in the shelters, and set the shelters on fire.
If you want to see even more horrific shite, Google "Japanese hell ships" and read how they transported POWs from Singapore, Hong Kong, and the Philippines to work camps.
Read up on the Burma Railway.
They did some truly horrific shite that is not taught in school. Some of the stuff they did made ISIS look like chiorboys.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:57 pm to Jim Rockford
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Obligatory note that it's possible to recognize that it had to be done while also regretting it was necessary.
I believe that is what Truman would have said, and any rational person would agree with.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:59 pm to bobdylan
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Do you know how they retrieved these pressure gauges or how that worked? Surely they would have been obliterated?
Thought the same thing when I read it. Has anyone answered yet?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:14 pm to TigerBR1111
There is a memorial museum in Hiroshima. I've been told it's quite a moving experience. I've spent a good bit of time in Japan and I always regret not having gone to the museum or the bomb site.
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