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re: 75 year old man pushed to the ground by police
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:29 am to Salmon
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:29 am to Salmon
What this video, and others coming out of these protests show, is the false reality that police brutality and excessive force is a race issue.
Too many, far from all, but too many police in this country are overly militarized, poorly trained, adrenaline junkies who have no idea or desire to deescalate a situation. Their only response to a confrontation is to meet it head on with force. That needs to change.
But they do that to everyone, not just black people. George Floyd was a victim of police brutality who happened to be black, not a victim bc he was black
Too many, far from all, but too many police in this country are overly militarized, poorly trained, adrenaline junkies who have no idea or desire to deescalate a situation. Their only response to a confrontation is to meet it head on with force. That needs to change.
But they do that to everyone, not just black people. George Floyd was a victim of police brutality who happened to be black, not a victim bc he was black
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Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:37 am to PetroBabich
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Yall some boot lickers my man.
What I seriously don’t understand is where exactly does this mentality come from because it clearly doesn’t come from our foundation as a country, and you would think that post 1945, we sure as hell don’t want a police state.
Everyone understands the need for law and order in a civilized society, but there’s balance to be had between that and a super aggressive paramilitary police force looking to get aggressive and overstepping that line. Just because they’re the police does not automatically make them in the right, and worthy of our backing.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:37 am to tigerfan88
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What this video, and others coming out of these protests show, is the false reality that police brutality and excessive force is a race issue.
Too many, far from all, but too many police in this country are overly militarized, poorly trained, adrenaline junkies who have no idea or desire to deescalate a situation. Their only response to a confrontation is to meet it head on with force. That needs to change.
Yeah but poor black urban areas have more crime. Therefore the overly militarized, poorly trained, adrenaline junky cops are in the black urban areas more often. Therefore the poor black people get treated like shite by these cops. Therefore they hate the cops. Therefore it's now a race issue.
I used to think exactly like you FWIW.
This post was edited on 6/5/20 at 9:41 am
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:47 am to Salmon
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like I say in all these threads, some of y'all hold cops to a frightening low standard
"Once again, the communication process broken down"
I didn't condone what they did. All I said was you have to expect bad consequences when you put yourself in a situation like that. Are you one of those people that think it's victim blaming to say women shouldn't walk down a dark alley drunk at 3 a.m. and expect to be safe?
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:48 am to PetroBabich
But the police brutality itself isn’t a race issue. That’s something that goes beyond race and can and has affected everyone. It’s also a pretty easy fix.
Now....the fact that young black men, a significant minority in the country, commit by far the most violent crimes is an entirely separate issue as far as solutions are concerned.
I agree the two are intertwined for the reasons you said, which is why African Americans are more passionate about police reform. But my point is there’s really no reason for all people not to support some level of police reform. But the protestors have done an awful job with the narrative and turned it into a pure race issue when it’s not
Now....the fact that young black men, a significant minority in the country, commit by far the most violent crimes is an entirely separate issue as far as solutions are concerned.
I agree the two are intertwined for the reasons you said, which is why African Americans are more passionate about police reform. But my point is there’s really no reason for all people not to support some level of police reform. But the protestors have done an awful job with the narrative and turned it into a pure race issue when it’s not
This post was edited on 6/5/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:49 am to lsu2006
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You seem to be filling in a lot of blanks yourself, pal. The guy walked up to the cops with one of their helmets in one hand and his phone in the other and was shoved to the ground and left bleeding and they tried to cover their asses with a lie. Not sure why you're focusing so heavily in on some vague idea of expectations and reality.
It's not surprising that you can't see my point. I can denounce what they did and say this guy should've reasonably expected that outcome at the same time. Those aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:50 am to upgrayedd
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All I said was you have to expect bad consequences when you put yourself in a situation like that.
I should expect bad consequences when I walk up to a cop? This is exactly what I mean by holding cops to a frightening low standard.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:54 am to Salmon
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I should expect bad consequences when I walk up to a cop?
When they're in riot gear blocking off streets and pushing crowds back? Yeah, that's a pretty reasonable expectation.
Come on, man. I know you're more level headed than this.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:56 am to Ed Osteen
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we get it, you don't agree with some posters
yea we get it. you think they just walked by and didn't help him. 10th thread on it. same easily disputed talking point every time. we get it hurrrr
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:57 am to upgrayedd
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It's not surprising that you can't see my point. I can denounce what they did and say this guy should've reasonably expected that outcome at the same time. Those aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
But as it relates to the situation at hand, saying a 75 year old man who was giving a helmet back to the police should expect to be pushed over is, frankly, idiotic. When you remove the context from situations, everything becomes so vague that this sort of "bothsidesism" means absolutely nothing. If someone can "reasonably expect" such an outcome from an innocuous interaction from police, then you aren't making the point you think you are, or you aren't considering the consequences and application of that point.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:58 am to upgrayedd
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I can denounce what they did
But you didn't. Instead you jumped right into the "play stupid games" mantra. Surely you could understand my confusion or my interpreting your post as defending the pigs' actions.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:58 am to upgrayedd
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When they're in riot gear blocking off streets and pushing crowds back? Yeah, that's a pretty reasonable expectation.
Again. This is just too low of a standard for me. Sorry.
And I don't consider this unreasonable.
There was no rioting happening. There were no other protesters around to where it was a chaotic situation.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:00 am to BossBailey345
fricking millennials
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:01 am to lsu2006
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But you didn't. Instead you jumped right into the "play stupid games" mantra. Surely you could understand my confusion or my interpreting your post as defending the pigs' actions.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:02 am to Cosmo
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He reach around a cop’s waist in area of gun
BULL shite! If he had done that they should have cuffed him and arrested his arse. The guy has a cell phone in his hand. Are these fricking cops that tone deaf to the mood of the country right now???
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:02 am to CharlesLSU
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Hey. I’m pretty forward thinking on all this, but under the circumstances, the old man should NOT have approached the officer and reached at his waist line.
this
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:03 am to Salmon
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Again. This is just too low of a standard for me. Sorry.
And I don't consider this unreasonable.
There was no rioting happening. There were no other protesters around to where it was a chaotic situation.
I guess I have a different view of reality when I see cops geared up and preparing for potentially violent confrontation. I admire your idealistic view of the world, though.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:04 am to unclejhim
and then just to leave him there to die?? everyone just WALKED PAST
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:07 am to upgrayedd
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Cool, good talk.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:11 am to upgrayedd
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I guess I have a different view of reality when I see cops geared up and preparing for potentially violent confrontation. I admire your idealistic view of the world, though
Again, this doesn't make the point you think it does, and it actually represents its own insidious type of idealism.
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