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re: $730 million verdict awarded to survivors of submarine propeller crash [NSFWish]

Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40603 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:44 pm to
I was going to say, a lot of roads in rural TX allow 65mph.
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8429 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:44 pm to
When moving any oversized load, whether that be dimensionally or weight related, when applying for permits you provide all of that information to the state permit office who then assign you a very detailed route based on roads, bridge heights, weight restrictions, etc etc. I'm not familiar with that area but if they were off their assigned route that's a huge problem. Additionally if going around a curve the front escort should have rounded the curve and stopped oncoming traffic and then given the all clear.


ETA:

“The defendants in this case failed to maintain an effective lookout, failed to communicate with each other, and failed to ask for assistance from local and state law enforcement. This part of Texas is full of narrow bridges, and yet they had no plan for navigating them. I hope today’s verdict will stop anything like this from happening again.”

This makes me wonder if they were indeed off-route and didn't have proper police escorts.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 3:46 pm
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
20819 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:46 pm to
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$480 million in compensatory damages and $250 million in punitive damages

Thought compensatory damages are generally based off of the value of the losses (property damages, expenses, lost wages...) what am I missing?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72330 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:48 pm to
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Well that trucking company is done.

Not so sure about that, Landstar is a huge trucking company. I'm sure it will be appealed, fought in court for years to come and at some point settled for a fraction of the $730 million.


The settlement isn’t what’s going to get them. The insurance company will end up paying that, whatever the final number ends up being. After that is done, the insurance company will either drop them all together or hike their premium up to the moon. Most likely they’ll drop them. And when they try to go to another insurance co, those premiums will be sky high as well. I’ve seen this exact scenario play out before. Only difference was instead of a submarine prop the cargo was a D10N dozer.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23436 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:50 pm to
Real question here, why is a sub prop being moved around rural texas in the first place? Bill dozer or crane, sure.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14572 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:51 pm to
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When does Texas land on the judicial hellhole list?


Titus County? Ha! Never.

The Southeast Counties like Nueces, Hidalgo, Starr and Jefferson? They were on the first list in 2002.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14572 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:53 pm to
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The settlement isn’t what’s going to get them. The insurance company will end up paying that,


You think insurance is going to pay $250 million on punitive damages? Insurance won’t pay punitive damages.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 3:54 pm
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6330 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:54 pm to
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Thought compensatory damages are generally based off of the value of the losses (property damages, expenses, lost wages...) what am I missing?


Those are special damages, which are compensatory. Pain and suffering damages, in this case for the wrongful death claim, are also considered compensatory damages.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19868 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:56 pm to
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Pain and suffering damages


Not to be cold but I don't think there was any pain or suffering based on the photos. There was a millisecond of loud noise and that was it.
Posted by TheGasMan
Member since Oct 2014
3467 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:57 pm to
Refit and machined somewhere in TX. These aren’t standard propellers that any old manufacturing company can handle, hence why it is covered up in the photo (shape, pitch, blade counts etc. are classified). It was being transported to be shipped to one of the nuclear shipyards where a 688 is in dry dock.

Although I’m sure there was a more direct route.
Posted by TxWadingFool
Middle Coast
Member since Sep 2014
5472 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 3:57 pm to
TXDOT always errors on the side of caution in my experience when it comes to routes for permitted loads, I would almost guarantee they were not on their required route unless they were very near their destination and had no other road to get there. There was without doubt several mistakes that led up to the crash.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
22130 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:15 pm to
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$480 million in compensatory damages


see you on appeal.
Posted by SomewhereDownInTX
Down in Texas, Somewhere
Member since Mar 2010
3480 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:22 pm to
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This makes me wonder if they were indeed off-route and didn't have proper police escorts.


They could have been, I would have routed them differently to I-30 being familiar with the area. But, highway 271 is a major highway in East Texas.

That stretch of highway has always been very dangerous. My best friend growing up lost his dad in a wreck on this same bridge. Since this happened they are actually finally widening it along with parts of the highway.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Thedillyplate
Galion by the St. John
Member since Dec 2016
189 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:23 pm to
You in Gilmer baw
Posted by SomewhereDownInTX
Down in Texas, Somewhere
Member since Mar 2010
3480 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:26 pm to
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You in Gilmer baw

No, Paris. I grew up in that area and went to Rivercrest High School.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
120207 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:34 pm to
This will keep happening as long as the Plaintiff’s bar can end around the golden rule with the Reptile Method.
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
6312 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:34 pm to
Everything is BIG in Texas, including jury awards.
Posted by James11111
Walnut Creek, Ca
Member since Jul 2020
5515 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:40 pm to
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Not so sure about that, Landstar is a huge trucking company


1.57 Billion revenue in the 2nd quarter this year
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16776 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:45 pm to
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failed to ask for assistance from local and state law enforcement.

This is bullshite. TXDOT has requirements for this and if the proper escorting wasn’t provided they wouldn’t have issued the super permit.
Posted by subMOA
Komatipoort
Member since Jan 2010
1973 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:50 pm to
Y’all- go read it again- it said the front escort “ran her off the road” Then she went on the bridge.

I think memaw was in a hurry to get to church and paid dearly for it.

Sounds to me like the lady was at fault.

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