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re: 57% of Tommy John surgeries in USA performed on 15-19 year olds .

Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:56 pm to
Are you guys suggesting surgery without need just for some shine on the spitball?
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16081 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:57 pm to
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Major ortho guy down over here at the Andrews Center had a kid that played baseball with us. He refused to let his kid pitch until middle school and very limited then. INB4 LSU777 tells you that kid not matter how talented will never make his high school team and that dr is wrong.
two things. Not playing travel ball does not mean your son can’t be a high level baseball player, especially if he’s been an active kid in life already playing other sports and the most important factor no matter what, how good of genes he has. If he’s a specimen it won’t really matter how much baseball he’s played before.

There was a kid I know that didn’t start playing baseball until his 10th grade year but had been a qb all his life so had been used to throwing a ball and he was 6’5 235 and the only reason he played was because he was goofing around one day in the field house when it was raining and the baseball boys were on there, he picks up a baseball and throws it in the air to the other end of the field house, at least 300 feet in the air. This is in November, HC sees it tells him he can turn him into a PO and next thing you know kid is throwing mid to upper 80s as a senior and ends up playing D2 baseball going farther than he ever would have in football.

The 2nd point though is that 777tiger is right, most kids unles they are a freak athlete like I described above are going to get passed up if they don’t play travel ball because the travel ball kids play more and believe it or not the more you do something matters, and secondly as well as most importantly, that is where the majority of kids who are worth a frick end up playing by the time they are in middle school at least, and it’s been that way for years now. Having said all that I’m sure it’s not healthy for some of these kids arms to play as much as they do and plenty of kids have gotten burn out or arms ruined because of travel ball.

I don’t doubt your ortho friend put the health of his sons arm over his potential pro career, but that doesn’t mean it was the best decision in terms of his boy being a better ball player, it just means he chose what would most likely give his son a better arm long term regardless of the sport of baseball and that was almost certainly the right decision by him because although his kid may not ever be able to start on his high school baseball team odds are no matter what he wasn’t making it to the mlb either
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 6:50 pm
Posted by LSUballs
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:58 pm to
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The AA teams are riding pitchers out to 150+ pitches in a weekend. I've seen a kid pitch complete games both saturday and sunday and also do relief.



How did they circumvent the pitch or inning restrictions that every single affiliation puts on kids? I've coached and whoever was putting it on (USSSA, PG, 2D, whatever) kept close tabs on it.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 5:07 pm
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
2093 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:01 pm to
I actually expected higher. Unless you plan on continuing to play baseball, it makes no sense to get TJ.

The total number would be more useful information
Posted by Krane
Member since Oct 2017
924 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:02 pm to
He’s full of shite
Posted by BeepNode
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:12 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 11:01 am
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
571 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:16 pm to
That’s with pitch counts in place now as well, baseball is a great sport just don’t pitch but if you do avoid throwing it 99 or off speed
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
6071 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:31 pm to
Conspiracy theory: the majority of these kids don’t really need Tommy John surgery. The doctors performing the operations are driving around in cybertrucks and vacationing in the south of France. This is the same industry that knowingly will get someone addicted to painkillers for a payday. They will definitely cut open a kids arm to keep living that sweet life
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:33 pm to
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avoid throwing it 99 or off speed


Man I been telling everybody I can throw gas but I just don't wanna hurt my elbow. Glad I aint the only one.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28907 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:45 pm to
Travel ball psychos
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55814 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:47 pm to
You’re poor if your son doesn’t play travel ball and hasn’t got a Tommy john surgery
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:48 pm to
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Better than Elton John surgery


Does that happen from wacking off your boyfriend? Asking for a friend
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Krane
Member since Oct 2017
924 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 6:56 pm to
Lsu777?
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6815 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 7:06 pm to
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He is perhaps the poster child of how far we've come in understanding the biometrics of throwing a baseball hard. Unfortunately, he very well may require TJ at some point in the near future.

Legitimate question here. At what point did he start throwing at such high velocity? IIRC, his velocity took a big jump in the brief time he was at LSU. I have a suspicion he wasn't throwing high velocity in his earlier years. Nothing against the Air Force Academy, but if he was, he prolly wouldn't have ended up somewhere other than the AFA. A big factor in the need for TJ surgery seems to be high velocity in young, still growing/developing arms.
Posted by SomethingLikeA
Member since Jul 2013
1113 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 7:36 pm to
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Why is the surgery named after a sandwich shop?


I thought it was an underwear company??
Posted by Krane
Member since Oct 2017
924 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 7:41 pm to
It’s the brand of comfortable shirts I wear
Posted by Robcrzy
Mandeville
Member since Nov 2007
607 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 7:44 pm to
usually dont tear a ucl at that age the growth plate will fracture first
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6520 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:17 pm to
I had some FSA left over at the end of 2009 and went ahead and let both my kids get it. They didn’t need it, but it’s kind of like chicken pox. Much better to go ahead and get it out of the way when you’re young.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17730 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:30 pm to
When a baseball pitcher speaks to you idiots that want your kid to play year around baseball in his HALL OF FAME SPEECH doesn’t get your attention nothing will because you are dumb!
Posted by Freight Joker
Member since Aug 2019
2784 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:40 pm to
How many kids aged 15-19 play baseball? A few million?

How many people aged 20-40 still play baseball? 50k? Idk.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 8:41 pm
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