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re: 47 Louisiana churches have left United Methodist Church over gay marriage, LGBTQ issues
Posted on 11/3/22 at 2:16 pm to HoopyD
Posted on 11/3/22 at 2:16 pm to HoopyD
The UMC postponed General Conference. Kicked the can down the road when members were already upset about the Book of Discipline not being enforced. My church voted to leave, over 90% in favor of. And we were one of the largest stateside churches in the UMC.
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Posted on 11/3/22 at 2:19 pm to Jergan Jensen
The north Louisiana church in the town I grew up in is leaving. Not sure if they get to keep the property or not but I understand there will be a slight name change.
It is happening all over.
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It is happening all over.
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This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 11/3/22 at 2:26 pm to Swamp Angel
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Okay... So tell me how one gambles responsibly.
Let's say I have $100. There is a pair of shoes I want, but don't need. I am going to either go buy those shoes or place a bet with the $100.
If I lose, then I will not have the shoes I didn't need but wanted. If I win, I can go buy the pair of shoes I wanted and have some money to place a few smaller bets. If I am lucky I can try to win $100+. If that happens, then I give myself the $100 I spent on the shows.
So someone can have a shopping addiction and there is nothing sinful about that.. But if they place a bet.. Then its a sin? That makes absolutely no sense.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 2:29 pm to McMahonnequin
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A whole lot of people in this thread should take a step back and consult John 8:7
I would advise consulting the whole chapter and not just a singular verse in order to push a narrative one way or the other. In this verse Jesus does admonish condemning the person for the sin. He also speaks later in the chapter and condemns those who knowingly give into and live in sin, saying they cannot be His followers or sons of God while flourishing in the sin of Satan.
Jesus did not condemn the person as He saw the worth and value of all. He did however state pretty clearly through His teachings that those who embraced and lived in sin without penance and without change could not be a part of the church He was sent to build.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 11/3/22 at 2:43 pm to OweO
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So someone can have a shopping addiction and there is nothing sinful about that.. But if they place a bet.. Then its a sin? That makes absolutely no sense.
I get what you're saying, and can understand it in that sense, but what I'm asking is for an illustration that demonstrates an instance of responsible gambling. If you're laying out anything of value as a wager based upon chance it is by definition irresponsible.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 2:59 pm to ronniep1
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This past Sunday, October 30, Live Oak Methodist in Watson also voted to leave the UMC. My understanding is that the vote was 700 - 7 in favor of leaving. The local church will have to pay roughly $750,000 to keep their facilities. My information, though, is second hand, so speak to a Live Oak member for the exact vote total and price to be paid.
Same church but I was told it was $250,000
Posted on 11/3/22 at 3:30 pm to lsudat10
The church was established biblically for the sole purpose of having people worship together. So yes people were meant to come together and not be separate and worship alone. Just as you are supposed to give joyfully which so many people have a problem with. I can understand that part being that so many “churches” don’t exactly steward their money well. Pastors aren’t called to drive a Tesla, own a plane, or even a mansion but that’s common today because those people are using the Bible to establish a career no different than a politician does. That isn’t church. Being able to see the difference and find a place that actually uses the Bible to base their principles on is the key. Buildings that say it’s a church doesn’t make it a church.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:02 pm to Chipand2Putts
Allowing for gay marriage would mean the church would be sanctioning sin.
Christ did not endorse sin, he may have understood the sinner and had pity for them, but remember his admonition " Go and sin no more" Of course if you remove it as sin which is what Francis and his cabal are trying......
Christ did not endorse sin, he may have understood the sinner and had pity for them, but remember his admonition " Go and sin no more" Of course if you remove it as sin which is what Francis and his cabal are trying......
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:03 pm to SoonerK
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No one seems to have a problem with people getting divorced or Churches marrying people previously divorced. Jesus had some thoughts on that.
Have you ever heard of the Catholic Church?
Posted on 11/3/22 at 4:04 pm to Swamp Angel
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I get what you're saying, and can understand it in that sense, but what I'm asking is for an illustration that demonstrates an instance of responsible gambling. If you're laying out anything of value as a wager based upon chance it is by definition irresponsible.
Do you have any money in the stock market?
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:43 pm to Clark W Griswold
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Why do churches feel the need to change biblical principles to make people feel better?
You mean the biblical principle that you're supposed to stone someone to death for wearing clothes made of different types of thread? Or touching a pig? Or planting different crops beside each other?
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:47 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:51 pm to Jergan Jensen
It’s late and I’m tired, but I can’t figure out if the churches that are voting to leave are in favor of gay marriage and gay priests or not.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:01 pm to Jimbeaux
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I can’t figure out if the churches that are voting to leave are in favor of gay marriage and gay priests or not.
The General Conference is likely to sanction gay clergy and marriage by voting to change the language in the Book of Discipline.
The would mean that churches staying in the UMC are OK with gay clergy and marriage.
Those who aren't cool with that have to leave.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:12 pm to Napoleon
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So if over the years we allowed everything else are we still sticking to "Man shall not lay with man" even though the new gospels pretty much made levitical laws moot?
Is this not cherry picking scripture.
The reason is simple: if there is an admonition in BOTH Testaments for something, then it's still considered bad. Homosexual activity is described in both as an "abomination."
Jesus also declared, " The Father made them man and woman...."
His words affirm that marriage is between a man and a woman. PERIOD.
Remember, much of what God commanded the Israelites to do during the Exodus was specific to that time and situation. Jesus' life and resurrection created a new covenant with God for ALL people.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:06 pm to exiledhogfan
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Are you serious?
Yes.
It wasn't banned anywhere. Or perhaps you can tell me the penalty for doing so in any state in the union.
I'll freely admit there could have been some 100 yr old unenforceable law. Not aware of any.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:27 pm to Jimbeaux
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It’s late and I’m tired, but I can’t figure out if the churches that are voting to leave are in favor of gay marriage and gay priests or not.
I don't want gay preachers, gay marriage, or dogma change I am leaving.
Stay if you want gay mike to pray over you
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:38 pm to mtntiger
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The General Conference is likely to sanction gay clergy and marriage by voting to change the language in the Book of Discipline.
The would mean that churches staying in the UMC are OK with gay clergy and marriage.
Those who aren't cool with that have to leave.
I feel like they will keep postponing the general conference so the issue vanishes
Posted on 11/4/22 at 6:47 am to Epic Cajun
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Do you have any money in the stock market?
Can you demonstrate that owning a portion of a company is equivalent to gambling on a sporting event or a hand of cards? I fail to see the similarity here.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 6:56 am to gizmothepug
How long did it take for you to figure that shite out?
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