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re: 47 Louisiana churches have left United Methodist Church over gay marriage, LGBTQ issues
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:47 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:47 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
There is no sacrament of marriage for homosexuals. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Otherwise it is a civil union.
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:53 pm to Jergan Jensen
That book don’t lie. I’m team Bible
Posted on 11/2/22 at 11:02 pm to BigWillyMetry
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And the traditionalists have to leave instead of the weirdos. Go figure.
This bothers me to no end, and it speaks volumes to what is going on.
The queers don't give a warm crap on Monday what the Word is. They have no respect for the Church - any church. If they did, they would form their own church or join one of the many that already cater to them.
Instead, they seek to take over each and every denomination until there are none left. They are being led by Satan but are blinded to it.
BTW - another poster mentioned a verse from Leviticus concerning gay behavior. If that was the only place where homosexuality is condemned in the Bible, then there might be room for discussion.
That is not the case. It condemned in a couple of places in the Old Testament, and Paul addresses it twice in his letters.
Jesus spoke of marriage and plainly stated, "The Father has made them man and woman."
There is no discussion. Real marriage, between a man and a woman, is ordained by God, because that is His plan, His creation. Those who say otherwise, even with the best intentions, are simply wrong.
Remember, we walk a narrow path. It is not easy. All of us fall short. Forgiveness is there for all of us, though, if we humble ourselves, admit to our sins and ask His forgiveness.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 11:06 pm to mtntiger
There is a winnowing of wheat from chaff and there is a purifying of the gold.
I see this as part of those processes.
Choose wisely.
I see this as part of those processes.
Choose wisely.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:14 am to Clark W Griswold
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Why do churches feel the need to change biblical principles to make people feel better?
Paper christians who don't preach the Bible... who listens to pastors that are simply great public speakers but have no biblical background.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:34 am to Clark W Griswold
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Why do churches feel the need to change biblical principles to make people feel better?
Why can’t we just believe in a god and not make other people rich for it?
Idk if you’re a Christian, but this is enough information on religion to understand that it is riddled with man’s flaws. Greed, rapists and corruption. That is the brand Christianity has become. The other options are negative and harmful to the human experience as well.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:34 am to Jergan Jensen
It’s not just Gay marriage. Methodist and Episcopal national leadership have jumped the shark and are weird wokies now. Amazing how the heads of big originations are so quick to sell out.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 5:48 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:40 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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Amazing how the heads of big originations are so quick to sell out.
Follow the money. It’s that simple. They will not be the last.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 5:47 am to Jergan Jensen
Happening here too. Was a nice church but over thought this nonsense.
Our son got to go to a nice Pre-K though. Got him ready for regular school.
Our son got to go to a nice Pre-K though. Got him ready for regular school.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 6:04 am to Strannix
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This would be the same as saying you're a Christian yet worshiping the devil.
Exactly. You can not bless sin. Creating your own personal God that is ok with your sins is in violation of the first commandment: You Shall Have No Other Gods before me.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 6:07 am to CoyoteSong
“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.”
G.K. Chesterton, What's Wrong with the World
G.K. Chesterton, What's Wrong with the World
Posted on 11/3/22 at 6:07 am to OweO
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If someone is doing this responsibly why is it a sin?
Okay... So tell me how one gambles responsibly.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 6:17 am to Clark W Griswold
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Why do churches feel the need to change biblical principles to make people feel better?
Same as everything else. Today's propaganda is all about the exception and not the rule.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 7:26 am to Jergan Jensen
I still take issue with most people quoting Leviticus when mentioning the Bible being against gays. Yet Leviticus said you could kill your wife if she talks back or your son if he wrongs you. It also says shellfish can't be eaten and not to wear blended fabrics. So if over the years we allowed everything else are we still sticking to "Man shall not lay with man" even though the new gospels pretty much made levitical laws moot?
Is this not cherry picking scripture.
* Yes, yes I know about the less spelled out line in Romans that will get brought up in rebuttal.
Is this not cherry picking scripture.
* Yes, yes I know about the less spelled out line in Romans that will get brought up in rebuttal.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 7:27 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 7:35 am to Chipand2Putts
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All churches on Sunday are full of sinners(drunks, gamblers, adulterers, gluttons)…as Christ intended.
Why does the “sin” of homosexuality get so much more publicity and rancor?
If churches weren’t led by sinners, we’d have no churches.
Blah, blah. Marrying gays in the church isn't the same as gays just being in the congregation. It would be the equivalent of the alcoholic drinking in church, crackhead smoking crack in the back pew, prostitute turning tricks in back corner, etc. The church deciding to not be a part of the sin doesn't mean they are condemning the sinner.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 7:53 am to BRL79
Our Episcopal church had a big schism a decade ago over this issue, the people who were opposed to "going gay" broke off and formed another congregation. We were not involved at the time but have been filled in on the history. You really could not tell at the time except for just a few gay couples.
Then 4 years ago the minister took a job at a church far away so the search was on. They hired this local very obviously gay man for the job. I was not involved but a friend told me that he knew the guy because he had applied at their church, they passed because he had a public indecency conviction, he gave a BJ to a guy in public during Mardi Gras.
Since then the church has gone gay in a big way, the people who left in protest have been replaced by gay couples. We are in the process of finding another church because things have gone too far, the last church cookout had a guy in what I would call was inappropriate attire for a church event.
It seems to me it has stopped being a church and has evolved into a "gay club", more discussion about social issues than the Bible. My wife goes sometimes, I stopped.
Then 4 years ago the minister took a job at a church far away so the search was on. They hired this local very obviously gay man for the job. I was not involved but a friend told me that he knew the guy because he had applied at their church, they passed because he had a public indecency conviction, he gave a BJ to a guy in public during Mardi Gras.
Since then the church has gone gay in a big way, the people who left in protest have been replaced by gay couples. We are in the process of finding another church because things have gone too far, the last church cookout had a guy in what I would call was inappropriate attire for a church event.
It seems to me it has stopped being a church and has evolved into a "gay club", more discussion about social issues than the Bible. My wife goes sometimes, I stopped.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 7:56 am to Jergan Jensen
The Methodist church is circling the drain
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:01 am to Jergan Jensen
So is UMC wanting to include LGBTQ and the churches are leaving?
Or is it the other way around and UMC and the churches are leaving so they can include it?
I can’t find an article that is saying which stance they are talking.
Or is it the other way around and UMC and the churches are leaving so they can include it?
I can’t find an article that is saying which stance they are talking.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:03 am to Napoleon
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I still take issue with most people quoting Leviticus when mentioning the Bible being against gays
First off, Leviticus was written to codify the Law for Jews who lived under Mosaic Law which had some slight differences from Patriarchal Law in order to demonstrate the Jews were set apart from others as the chosen people through whom God's Son would be brought into the world. The dietary and sartorial commandments were given specifically to the Jews. There's also the vow of the Nazerite which prevent someone from partaking of any form of the fruit of the vine, whether grapes, grape juice, wine, or even raisins if someone takes that vow upon themselves, but such restrictions do not apply to other individuals.
I agree that you're not cherry-picking scripture, but I do believe that you aere not "rightly dividing" it. But let's continue into the New Testament now that Mosaic Law and Patriarchal Law are no longer in effect since we now have Christ as our intercessor:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10, KJV: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God
None of those who practice the sins enumerated above will enter into the kingdom of heaven. Yes, homosexuality is included in there, as is fornication and adultery and several other things.
Christ didn't come to the Earth to die on the cross so that people could act in any way they so desired and go along in life believing that everything was just fine and there was no longer any moral law. To say such a thing is absurd to the utmost degree.
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Yes, yes I know about the less spelled out line in Romans that will get brought up in rebuttal.
And - we didn't even need to go to Romans to find scripture condemning the act at the center of the discussion.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:14 am to Jergan Jensen
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47 Louisiana churches have left United Methodist Church over gay marriage, LGBTQ issues
They should have done this over women pastors, but at least they saw the light eventually.
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