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re: $440 million solar farm in Calcasieu Parish shot down
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:14 am to billjamin
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:14 am to billjamin
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Something’s not right here.
1000acres should be around 200-250MW. And 375MW should be a lot more modules.
I was just going off of what was reported previously about the size of it by KPLC
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:15 am to stout
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This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:22 am to billjamin
quote:
Something’s not right here.
1000acres should be around 200-250MW. And 375MW should be a lot more modules.
I'm thinking more like 700k panels. And given the acreage, it's probably a fractured footprint.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:27 am to Oilfieldbiology
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That’s very little power for such a large area
That's why solar will never be a replacement for fossil fuels or nuclear. Miserable energy density and amongst the lowest in terms of the ratio of installed capacity compared to what is delivered on an annualized basis.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:28 am to mylsuhat
quote:Why don’t they put these solar panels all over large cities, like NYC?
Solar needs to stick to personal/business/building
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:28 am to ProjectP2294
they're probably worried about roof damage. hurricane takes a few panels off a roof and damages the roof and now the solar company has to pay to repair the facility roof. not to mention they'd probably have to pay the company rent to put their panels up there. you wouldn't just let some company put panels on your roof for free while they're using your roof to make "free" money.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:44 am to Pezzo
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they're probably worried about roof damage. hurricane takes a few panels off a roof and damages the roof and now the solar company has to pay to repair the facility roof. not to mention they'd probably have to pay the company rent to put their panels up there. you wouldn't just let some company put panels on your roof for free while they're using your roof to make "free" money.
The way it usually works is either the owner or lessee pays for the solar and takes the tax credit or they enter into a PPA or lease agreement to let a company retain ownership and operate and maintain the system and basically sell power to the occupant. I've never seen any straight up grid PPA deals using a building because you have to put a fixture filing on the property and no one would want to do that if they aren't getting the benefit of the cheap power.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:45 am to stout
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The company, Aypa Power, is owned by Blackstone. With Blackstone being involved it seems this was purely a tax credit grab as it doesn't seem feasible to build this in a hurricane-prone area unless heavily subsidized.
The residents have been fighting against it and were successful last night.
Taylor Sheridan's next series. How big Solar gets beat by small town politics.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:47 am to stout
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:47 am to redstick13
Yes
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:49 am to stout
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It was going to cover 1000 acres with 6000 panels and generate 375 megawatts.
Just saying.....there is a natural gas plant in Pointe Coupee that's sitting idle on like 15 acres that can generate 495 megawatts.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:50 am to kjp811
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I'm thinking more like 700k panels. And given the acreage, it's probably a fractured footprint.
My math was just under 600k using the latest 600w modules but it obviously depends on how big you go. They have some monsters out there but i'm not aware of any 62.5kW modules on the market yet.
I have a feeling they confused MWp and MWh.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:51 am to Oilfieldbiology
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That’s very little power for such a large area
Solar is horrific consumers of land. It's great for sitting on top of buildings to be used for localized, decentralized power.....but I'm uncomfortable with massive solar farms for base load generation, especially with land prices and home prices climbing rapidly.
We have to consider land as a very precious resource. We need to be more careful how we consume it.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 9:53 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:54 am to Clames
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That's why solar will never be a replacement for fossil fuels or nuclear.
I'm not saying they will be a replacement, but they are getting more efficient by the year. There are panels coming out in 2025 that could be as high as 26-27% efficient and can now produce 90% capacity for 25+ years.
Utility companies will have to get in on this sooner rather than later, to bring down rates for consumers. Hell, there is one going up around Krotz Springs what DEMCO will own the entire output capacity. I'm not sure the size though. There are others being tied to utilities coming up as well.
ETA: I heard that someone acquired a shite ton of land in central LA to put up renewable...not sure if solar or wind.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:55 am to SpencerRob
quote:The majority has always done that already with zoning laws and for good reason.
I don’t give two shits about “green energy”, but what happens when the majority decides to dictate what private landowners can do on their property with other things? Just wait until a majority of people think hunting is too cruel and you shouldn’t be allowed to do it on your property - or raising cows.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:00 am to SaintEB
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I'm not saying they will be a replacement, but they are getting more efficient by the year. There are panels coming out in 2025 that could be as high as 26-27% efficient and can now produce 90% capacity for 25+ years.
Wait until you hear what’s coming in 26. I’m touring a plant in December that’s supposed to be releasing a 550W residential module in an n-type frame
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:06 am to billjamin
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Wait until you hear what’s coming in 26. I’m touring a plant in December that’s supposed to be releasing a 550W residential module in an n-type frame
I'm not going to argue the land issues or the politics behind doing large solar projects, but don't act shocked when these panels are everywhere and utility companies start pushing for these large scale generation project to be solar instead of natural gas. A 200MW solar system for a 700MW peak utility is a game changer for rate payers. As fuel prices and transportation costs increase, the investment will be in transmission (high voltage DC) to get this renewable footprint to the consumer for cheaper than traditional NG and coal. Non-renewable aren't going away, but solar will be a player sooner than later.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:15 am to stout
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This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:18 am to Boomshockalocka
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Also blackstone they own half of Cheniere
Are you sure thats Blackstone and not Blackrock?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:21 am to SaintEB
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I'm not going to argue the land issues or the politics behind doing large solar projects
Me either. The one thing i think utility scale solar is good for is driving down the $/W for residential, commercial and industrial.
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don't act shocked when these panels are everywhere and utility companies start pushing for these large scale generation project to be solar instead of natural gas. A 200MW solar system for a 700MW peak utility is a game changer for rate payers. As fuel prices and transportation costs increase, the investment will be in transmission (high voltage DC) to get this renewable footprint to the consumer for cheaper than traditional NG and coal. Non-renewable aren't going away, but solar will be a player sooner than later.
The cheap O&M make's it almost a no brainer especially as the efficiency and degradation continue to improve.
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