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re: $440 million solar farm in Calcasieu Parish shot down

Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19568 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:59 pm to
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This is literally happening all over the state.


Oh I know it is, but the glaring and obvious issue is that electricity bills keep going up no matter how many of these solar farms are installed. Louisiana has significant lignite stores that should be mined for fuel for power plants.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182389 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:04 pm to
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that sucks for the landowner he was about to be rolling in the dough and they were clearly ok with it



The land is currently timberland that was going to be leased from Sweet Lake Land & Oil Company. Not an individual private owner
Posted by JohnnyBgood
South Louisiana
Member since May 2010
4457 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:27 pm to
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What are your concerns? BX requires remediation funds and so does every tax equity financier in the market. The leaching and lack of return to greenfield funds is an outdated talking point that hasn't been relevant for any systems constructed recently. It's also good to remember these have 35 year useful lifes.


When the solar companies claim force majeure or file for bankruptcy, the owner and community is stuck with the mess. The parish has to step in to help clean it up. Read about what’s going on with Ormet Burnside and the red bauxite that was left behind in Darrow when the company went belly up.

Remember these panels are Chinese made with lead and cadmium which will leach out over time. Just this year, large solar farms in Texas were obliterated by hail storms. EPA has also classified panels as HAZ waste once they need to be disposed of.
Posted by JohnnyBgood
South Louisiana
Member since May 2010
4457 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:31 pm to
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It would only bring jobs and potential taxes once profitable to the state. Not a lot of jobs while operating, but 300 during construction.


People really believe this stuff

Who gives a frick about potential taxes and temporary construction jobs for long term damage and property devaluation…Solar farms are trash.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18075 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:45 pm to
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When the solar companies claim force majeure or file for bankruptcy, the owner and community is stuck with the mess. The parish has to step in to help clean it up.

Force majeure hits and you make an insurance claim and fix it. The companies that own these asset aren't playing in the minor leagues. These are owned by big banks (JPM, BoA, BX, etc.) The companies that are at risk are the servicers and thats why they have back up servicers in a warm position to take over.
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Read about what’s going on with Ormet Burnside and the red bauxite that was left behind in Darrow when the company went belly up.

I googled it and can't find anything.
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Remember these panels are Chinese made with lead and cadmium which will leach out over time. Just this year, large solar farms in Texas were obliterated by hail storms. EPA has also classified panels as HAZ waste once they need to be disposed of.

Chinese modules are losing favorability and the market is shifting to domestically made modules. Regardless, any recent system would have proper UL rating for a tier 1 rating, which is the only things thats currently financeable. The issue with hazardous materials is only an issue on broken modules modules or those being disposed of, which either gets taken care of when they replace because of physical damage or decommission the asset in 35 years, if they even decide to decom.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72096 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 6:04 pm to
Solar blows arse. The energy density sucks and converting mass acerage into solar fields is stupid.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18075 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:10 pm to
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Solar blows arse. The energy density sucks and converting mass acerage into solar fields is stupid.

This type of NIMBYism for solar is the same reason you’ll never see new nuclear reactors. Enjoy it
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 7:28 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72096 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:56 pm to
Stfu.

Nuclear makes excellent sense. Solar, in the application being discussed here, makes zero sense.

We know solar is your money bag so I'd expect nothing else, but gtfoutta here.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18075 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:25 pm to
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We know solar is your money bag so I'd expect nothing else, but gtfoutta here.

I do zero utility solar. I have done quite a few nuke projects and you NIMBY dick bags are the problem. I’m happy to watch lousianastan continue to devolve into a third world country though so have fun.

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Stfu

I’ll happily sit here and point out people who have zero fricking clue what they’re talking about. Like you. You can stfu.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 9:27 pm
Posted by b_w
Member since Dec 2016
311 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:27 pm to
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The land is currently timberland that was going to be leased from Sweet Lake Land & Oil Company. Not an individual private owner


Most family owned land in Louisiana is owned by some type of LLC or incorporated, from quick google search seems to be the case here (spent 15 seconds on this). Don't let that fool you that this is not family property...

if you baws think solar would piss a community off and want nuclear next door, man I don't know what to tell y'all but ain't nobody signing up for nuclear next door to them.... Sounds good and fits politics and hey I'm all for nuclear and any and all energy independence but ain't no way this same community signs up for nuclear
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38052 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:36 pm to
You have no clue wtf you are talking about with sweet Lakeland and oil
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38052 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:37 pm to
Look I’m all for nuclear and all for solar on buildings, but big farms of solar and wind…frick off.
Posted by b_w
Member since Dec 2016
311 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:37 pm to
maybe not... as mentioned 15 seconds of research
Posted by b_w
Member since Dec 2016
311 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:40 pm to
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Look I’m all for nuclear and all for solar on buildings, but big farms of solar and wind…frick off.


I here ya but these are life changing $ opportunities for the land owners should a project happen to fall on your land.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18075 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:45 pm to
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Look I’m all for nuclear and all for solar on buildings, but big farms of solar and wind…frick off.

Why? I don’t actually like solar farms either. I’ve said that plenty of times. There’s a reason we don’t have any utility solar on our ranch even though we get a few offers a year. But I’m curious why people hate it?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38052 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:46 pm to
I don’t give a frick…solar sucks. Building it in a hurricane prone area is dumb af and the neighbors absolutely have a reason to say not in my back yard

Real easy for SFP to talk shite about it when he is 40+, doesn’t have a family and is pretty much transient. He can leave at any time

Real easy for other douchebags to preach solar while living in houston, but I can tell you if you tried to go out this next to the woodlands or Katy or pearland or up in the north Dallas suburbs like south lake Carrol….those people would pitch a fricking fit too


And again, this and other projects with solar are dogshit compared to lng.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38052 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:48 pm to
Because it’s ugly as shite, environmental hazard, produces dog shite for the space it takes up but mainly because this is a hurricane zone. We have had a strong cat 3, a cat 2 and a cat 5 all in the last two decades. Do you think it’s a good idea to have a solar farm ~100 miles inland?

They also are not environmentally friendly at all, quite the fricking opposite, especially on a world wide scale
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18075 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:52 pm to
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Because it’s ugly as shite

Meh, I’m not worried about what people think my land looks like. They can look at their own if they want. Land owners owe no duty to the public for gazing.
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environmental hazard

Nope,I’ve said it before modern modules don’t have leaching issues
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produces dog shite for the space it takes up

Legit concern. It does take up a lot of acres per MW. But that’s really ignoring what it does well and nitpicking its biggest drawback.
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We have had a strong cat 3, a cat 2 and a cat 5 all in the last two decades. Do you think it’s a good idea to have a solar farm ~100 miles inland?

That’s between the owner and their insurance company.
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They also are not environmentally friendly at all, quite the fricking opposite, especially on a world wide scale

You really don’t think a solid state power producer that needs zero fuel and has a 35 year useful life isn’t environmentally beneficial? Seriously?
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 9:54 pm
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18075 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:00 pm to
Also, I meant to post this earlier just as a funny aside. I was at an energy conference and ran into a buddy of mine from Bank of America. We were grabbing a drink and he was telling me about some new project they were looking at in Louisiana so I pulled up the original thread on this and we got a good laugh at it. Idk what happened with whatever project they were looking at but I should get an update when I see him for another deal after thanksgiving. I’m hoping that he figured out to just not go where you aren’t wanted and save yourself the litigation costs.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 10:01 pm
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182389 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:23 pm to
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You have no clue wtf you are talking about with sweet Lakeland and oil


No shite he doesn't. They are a nearly 100 year old company and huge. Not some rinky dink family LLC set up for a single tract of land. They couldn't care less about ruining home values of residents in Gillis to make some money leasing out that land.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 10:35 pm
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