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re: 4 Year Old Dies After Finding Gun
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:52 pm to turnpiketiger
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:52 pm to turnpiketiger
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but damn we got too many rights.
This country is COMPLETELY fricked if it’s citizens feel this way
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 2:41 pm to lsupride87
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Believing there is 3,000,000 uses of guns in self defense a year is fricking lunacy
in a country of more than 350,000,000 people it is lunacy?
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It just seems like complete common sense. The average person is never going to have an incident in a year where they need self defense with a gun.
3,000,000 is a fairly significant minority of 350,000,000
even the anti-gun groups have found 600,000 defensive uses of firearms in a year.
As I suspected your numbers were shite
Posted on 9/3/24 at 2:44 pm to imjustafatkid
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Oh man. He even had the gun in a secured location? That's awful.
If a child got into your "secure" location, your location wasn't all that secure. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Unfortunately, this is a situation where the father has not only lost his child, he will likely be prosecuted for not securing that gun. Which is to say, he caused the child's death. Real tragedy, all around.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 2:46 pm to Clames
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Children are endlessly inventive, capable, curious and far more attentive than most give them credit. Imagine if cats had thumbs. Children can defeat simple locks at very early ages, there are videos of young children defeating biometric gun "safes" with basic household items which is why I have and S&G mechanical lock (I don't have children running around my house either) on my safe. The father probably never imagined his child would recognize the holstered gun much less would be curious enough to get it out of the glove box to handle it.
Spot on. Your gun is probably not as secure as you think it is.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 2:55 pm to civiltiger07
quote:You can read if you would like, but that includes someone using a gun to tell a teenager to get off their property etc etc. For example the data used also says 8% of Americans will use a gun in self defense. Do you really beleive that? Roughly 1 of every 10 people will use a gun in self defense? That makes America sound like fricking dodge city in the 1800s
even the anti-gun groups have found 600,000 defensive uses of firearms in a year.
There is no way to possibly backup any of the studies done on this. Either side can easily point to the others and say “bullshitl, and each side does.
I think one has to stop and think about it
In my lifetime, in all my male families members lifetimes(roughly 15 of us), not a single one was ever used a gun in self defense or had the opportunity. Yet, we have had THOUSANDS of opportunities to shoot ourselves. But we are all smart responsible people. The average American is a fricking dumbass, so my logic tells me it’s far more likely the average American will shoot themselves vs use a gun in self defense
That doesn’t mean I want any additional gun control laws
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 3:24 pm to Boudreaux35
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Was the child not in a car seat or booster seat and restrained?
Was the vehicle not equipped with a back seat?
If the father was only out to adjust a trailer, why was the child freely roaming the inside of the vehicle?
I'm sure there are "logical" answers, but I am just wondering.
It’s possible (likely, even) that the dad was tinkering around with the truck/trailer, not preparing to drive anywhere with his son unsecured. My 4 year old is glued to me at home. He wants to be wherever I am. Saturday, he played in the car while I replaced a sun visor. I imagine this was a situation like that.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 3:47 pm to The Third Leg
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Dad will kill himself tonight if he has a shred of decency. I sure would. But then again, I would never be so stupid as to put a kid near a loaded gun, so I wouldn’t have to worry about it.
No. Don't go there, man. I'm sure the guy would trade places if he could. That wouldn't bring the poor child back. It would only bring even more tragic heartbreak to that family that has to be absolutely reeling from this.
They are certainly hurting right now- and always will be. I hope and pray they can somehow find some level of peace, at some point....
Posted on 9/3/24 at 3:53 pm to lsupride87
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For example the data used also says 8% of Americans will use a gun in self defense. Do you really beleive that? Roughly 1 of every 10 people will use a gun in self defense? That makes America sound like fricking dodge city in the 1800s
Do you normally read a report and say "I don't believe that". Then create your own stats?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 3:59 pm to civiltiger07
quote:Is that not exactly what you are doing with the reports I posted?
Do you normally read a report and say "I don't believe that". Then create your own stats?
Sorry, I think data that relies on sending out a survey as the means of data collection is inferior to a study that uses actual reported statistics
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:10 pm to lsupride87
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Sorry, I think data that relies on sending out a survey as the means of data collection is inferior to a study that uses actual reported statistics
You are literally quoting a group that once used gun/hunting magazine subscription numbers as a proxy to estimate gun ownership in the US and then were surprised when it was proven they weren't even close to being right...
You don't know enough to even know what good data is.This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:15 pm to lsupride87
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Is that not exactly what you are doing with the reports I posted?
that would be a no.
I posted stats from a differing study. You posted about your feelings and thoughts.
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For example the data used also says 8% of Americans will use a gun in self defense. Do you really beleive that? Roughly 1 of every 10 people will use a gun in self defense? That makes America sound like fricking dodge city in the 1800s
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:15 pm to lsupride87
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Do you normally read a report and say "I don't believe that". Then create your own stats?
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Is that not exactly what you are doing with the reports I posted?
Sorry, I think data that relies on sending out a survey as the means of data collection is inferior to a study that uses actual reported statistics
They're all best guess estimations- unless of course the group providing the information has an ulterior motive. And let's face it: Most of them do.
For the ones who collect some form of data, most of the data provided has no way of accounting for unreported incidents. You'll always have people who do not want to get involved with the police except under the most dire circumstances.
And when it comes to surveys, well.... many people are simply going to lie.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:23 pm to Shanegolang
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While he was unsupervised, the child got into the secure area where the gun was kept.
Terrible tragedy.
If a 4 year old can get it, it was not a "secure area where the gun was kept." That would be the definition of an "unsecure area."
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:24 pm to The Third Leg
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Dad will kill himself tonight if he has a shred of decency.
Dude, there is something seriously fricking wrong with you.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:28 pm to lsupride87
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In my lifetime, in all my male families members lifetimes(roughly 15 of us), not a single one was ever used a gun in self defense or had the opportunity. Yet, we have had THOUSANDS of opportunities to shoot ourselves. But we are all smart responsible people.
1. Helping family during hurricane issac.
2. Dude breaking into my home.
3. Crackhead trying to steal copper from our camp in the woods.
4. Flood of 16.
5. Attempted car jacking.
Should I buy a lottery ticket?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 4:35 pm to beerJeep
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Should I buy a lottery ticket?
No but I would move out of LA
Posted on 9/3/24 at 5:35 pm to Packer
For those screaming negligent homicide, it has to be criminal negligence. Not ordinary. I would be shocked if a DA brought charges against the father to a grand jury under these circumstances. Negligent? Sure. Criminally Negligent? I don't think it rises to that level
Rest in peace little man. And prayers to this family for strength at this difficult time.
Rest in peace little man. And prayers to this family for strength at this difficult time.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 6:03 pm to TxTiger82
The gun was secure. It was a tragic accident. I pray that charges are not put on this grieving father.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:34 pm to pizota13
quote:A secure gun can’t be reached by a 4 year old
The gun was secure
I pray for the father though and hope he finds a way past this
Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:37 pm to pizota13
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The gun was secure.
if a 4 year old can get to it, then no, no it is not
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