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re: $28 billion bridge in China just to haul coal

Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:28 am to
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
14735 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:28 am to
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They don't give a frick, meanwhile...here we are.


Are you saying we should pollute more like China or India?
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83731 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:30 am to
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meanwhile…..we’re getting guilt trips for not wanting to use a paper straw. makes sense.
meanwhile serving the drink in a plastic cup
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95025 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:31 am to
All the while our infrastructure is crumbling and we’re sending billions to Ukraine just to be washed so that US politicians can pocket it on the way back.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18026 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:31 am to
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Don’t they know green energy is the future

They're installing renewables faster than they're growing coal generation. They're just not phasing out coal because they need everything they can get. The US would benefit from a similar strategy, but our politicians are more worried about fighting the other side of the aisle and virtue signals than governing.
This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 10:35 am
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
10494 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:32 am to
What happens when someone decides to ram an 18-wheeler into one of the pillars?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130226 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:32 am to
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Are you saying we should pollute more like China or India?



No, but I am saying we shouldn't enter things like Kyoto if China and India don't as well.
Posted by GeauxGutsy
Member since Jul 2017
5970 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:37 am to
We send our billions to Ukraine. We don’t need to invest in domestic infrastructure.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
1161 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:37 am to
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Are you saying we should pollute more like China or India?


No, but I am saying we shouldn't enter things like Kyoto if China and India don't as well.


They did enter it. It was extremely one-sided in favor of them, and it did virtually nothing meaningful for the climate by any scientific measure. It was a classic case of the Emperor Having No Clothes, and the Bad Orange Man was even more of a demon for pointing it out.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299196 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:40 am to
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We send our billions to Ukraine.


Yep, our hundred billion just punched temporary holes in the ground.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:40 am to
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Why is it elevated like that?
It's on the flood plain of the Hanjing river which poses the obvious problem all of us Louisianans are familiar with but one additional problem that even if no "water hazards" it was designed for 120 mph and that causes a lot of vibration on really bad "steppe" soil, so if it was a typical unelevated railbed is would basically shake down to nothing (too much surface area)
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51691 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:42 am to
I’m sure Joe and the UN will stand up to China and demand that they cut emissions due to the “climate crisis.”
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38706 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:43 am to
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What happens when someone decides to ram an 18-wheeler into one of the pillars?


We won't go to war with them but a JDAM would be a bigger issues for them
Posted by RummelTiger
Official TD Sauces Club Member
Member since Aug 2004
93621 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:54 am to
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Why is it elevated like that?


So you can charge $28B for it and line your, and local/govt official's pockets, by building it that way.
Posted by Power-Dome
Member since Nov 2012
1252 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:00 am to
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Why is it elevated like that?


I would also surmise that it needs to elevate to get over certain terrains, and then due to load bearing capabilities, the gradient would be limited and then you get a huge length of low gradient to reach one necessary height
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38706 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:02 am to
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certain terrains


Mongolia and such are not known for their flat lands
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:14 am to
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I would also surmise that it needs to elevate to get over certain terrains, and then due to load bearing capabilities, the gradient would be limited and then you get a huge length of low gradient to reach one necessary height


This.

The entire line isn't elevated like that tweet claims.

https://www.railjournal.com/freight/china-opens-1813km-heavy-haul-railway/

According to the wiki page there is a 5km viaduct on the line and that is likely what is pictured.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
26052 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:22 am to
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it was designed for 120 mph


The real article says 120 KPH. They aren't running heavy coal trains at 120 mph.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8608 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:27 am to
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We sometimes get smog from China roll through here. Looked like we were in a forest fire for a week.


Now ask yourself, how much American coal is China burning? And why hasn't the U.S. stopped selling them coal?
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
27322 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:32 am to
China isn't burning that much American coal. It's mostly all coming from the strip-mining of Africa.... Just like all their other resources, and being sent by rail to Mainland China.

Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:53 am to
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The real article says 120 KPH. They aren't running heavy coal trains at 120 mph.
they are actually running at 100 kph (occasionally up to 120 kph), but it was designed for, maybe poorly hence not running trains at design speed, 200 kph.

It's frigging inner mongolia... after the party bosses finish their skim ain't nothing going to work as designed.
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