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re: 155 years ago today....Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:25 am to mdomingue
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:25 am to mdomingue
He thinks the reason our country is fricked today is because Lee didn't prolong the war even further, costing even more lives and causing more personal and economic suffering.
That is quite the statement.
That is quite the statement.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:27 am to deltaland
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War criminal
So I assume you apply that same standard to more modern American generals such as Patton, Eisenhower, and LeMay?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:30 am to Bench McElroy
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The Confederacy was lucky that all of their government officials weren’t executed after the war. They committed treason.
No they weren’t
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:31 am to RollTide1987
My kin BG Joshua Chamberlain was present.
On the morning of April 9, 1865, Chamberlain learned of the desire by General Robert E. Lee to surrender the Army of Northern Virginia when a Confederate staff officer approached him under a flag of truce. "Sir," he reported to Chamberlain, "I am from General Gordon. General Lee desires a cessation of hostilities until he can hear from General Grant as to the proposed surrender."[11] The next day, Chamberlain was summoned to Union headquarters where Maj. Gen. Charles Griffin informed him that he had been selected to preside over the parade of the Confederate infantry as part of their formal surrender at Appomattox Court House on April 12.[12]
Thus Chamberlain was responsible for one of the most poignant scenes of the American Civil War. As the Confederate soldiers marched down the road to surrender their arms and colors, Chamberlain, on his own initiative, ordered his men to come to attention and "carry arms" as a show of respect. In memoirs written forty years after the event, Chamberlain described what happened next:
Gordon, at the head of the marching column, outdoes us in courtesy. He was riding with downcast eyes and more than pensive look; but at this clatter of arms he raises his eyes and instantly catching the significance, wheels his horse with that superb grace of which he is master, drops the point of his sword to his stirrup, gives a command, at which the great Confederate ensign following him is dipped and his decimated brigades, as they reach our right, respond to the 'carry.' All the while on our part not a sound of trumpet or drum, not a cheer, nor a word nor motion of man, but awful stillness as if it were the passing of the dead.[13]
Chamberlain stated that his salute to the Confederate soldiers was unpopular with many Unionists, but he defended his action in his memoirs, The Passing of the Armies. Many years later, Gordon, in his own memoirs, called Chamberlain "one of the knightliest soldiers of the Federal Army." Gordon never mentioned the anecdote until after he read Chamberlain's account, more than 40 years later.[14]
In all, Chamberlain served in 20 battles and numerous skirmishes, was cited for bravery four times, had six horses shot from under him, and was wounded six times
On the morning of April 9, 1865, Chamberlain learned of the desire by General Robert E. Lee to surrender the Army of Northern Virginia when a Confederate staff officer approached him under a flag of truce. "Sir," he reported to Chamberlain, "I am from General Gordon. General Lee desires a cessation of hostilities until he can hear from General Grant as to the proposed surrender."[11] The next day, Chamberlain was summoned to Union headquarters where Maj. Gen. Charles Griffin informed him that he had been selected to preside over the parade of the Confederate infantry as part of their formal surrender at Appomattox Court House on April 12.[12]
Thus Chamberlain was responsible for one of the most poignant scenes of the American Civil War. As the Confederate soldiers marched down the road to surrender their arms and colors, Chamberlain, on his own initiative, ordered his men to come to attention and "carry arms" as a show of respect. In memoirs written forty years after the event, Chamberlain described what happened next:
Gordon, at the head of the marching column, outdoes us in courtesy. He was riding with downcast eyes and more than pensive look; but at this clatter of arms he raises his eyes and instantly catching the significance, wheels his horse with that superb grace of which he is master, drops the point of his sword to his stirrup, gives a command, at which the great Confederate ensign following him is dipped and his decimated brigades, as they reach our right, respond to the 'carry.' All the while on our part not a sound of trumpet or drum, not a cheer, nor a word nor motion of man, but awful stillness as if it were the passing of the dead.[13]
Chamberlain stated that his salute to the Confederate soldiers was unpopular with many Unionists, but he defended his action in his memoirs, The Passing of the Armies. Many years later, Gordon, in his own memoirs, called Chamberlain "one of the knightliest soldiers of the Federal Army." Gordon never mentioned the anecdote until after he read Chamberlain's account, more than 40 years later.[14]
In all, Chamberlain served in 20 battles and numerous skirmishes, was cited for bravery four times, had six horses shot from under him, and was wounded six times
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:38 am to TulaneLSU
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How Southerners, even some of my own ancestors, thought it was acceptable to own others repulses me. This will ultimately devolve into an argument with people saying Southerners were fighting for states rights. Yes, the states’ rights to determine if it is legal to own humans as property. Nothing was genteel or honorable about that.
My ancestors owned slaves, know what I think of it? Nothing. I’m not going to judge the actions of people from 155+ years ago by today’s standards. That’s unfair and not a responsible way to view them.
Furthermore, the north wasn’t exactly innocent when it comes to the treatment of minorities either.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:42 am to RollTide1987
We didn’t actually surrender that’s historical revisionism written by you know who
Pretty pathetic how you Yankees still celebrate murdering southerners all so y’all could get gay marriage and drag queen story hour
Pretty pathetic how you Yankees still celebrate murdering southerners all so y’all could get gay marriage and drag queen story hour
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:45 am to bigberg2000
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It blows my mind that was only 155 years ago.
Yeah. To think about how far we’ve come technically since then is pretty amazing.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:51 am to el Gaucho
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Pretty pathetic how you Yankees
I was born and raised in Alabama, bruh. My paternal family has been living in the state since the 1830s. Before that they had been living in Virginia.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:00 am to Bench McElroy
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They committed treason.
How do you feel about George Washington?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:02 am to RollTide1987
A great day in US history.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:03 am to TigerNlc
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How do you feel about George Washington?
What was it that Littlefinger said to Ned Stark in season one of Game of Thrones?
Ned Stark: You're talking about treason!
Littlefinger: Only if we lose.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:03 am to RollTide1987
This thread should be fun. The OT is filled with confederate defenders.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:04 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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My ancestors owned slaves, know what I think of it? Nothing. I’m not going to judge the actions of people from 155+ years ago by today’s standards.
You don't have to use today's standards. There was an abolitionist movement at the time and a war fought over it, so the many standards at the time thought it was unjust and inhumane.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:05 am to RollTide1987
This is news to most of the board.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:05 am to NotoriousFSU
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Oh suck a dick
He's prob sucked 3 or 4 since the start of this thread
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:06 am to NotoriousFSU
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Oh suck a dick the North profited from slavery that whole time too, but just didn’t want to get their hands dirty and they certainly weren’t on a moral crusade.
There certainly was more of abolitionist movement up north. The war is economic one but most are.
The war probably doesn’t happen if the slave state’s weren’t afraid of losing the ability to own someone.
Spending the next 100 years with segregation didn’t help the south’s argument either.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:06 am to The Spleen
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There was an abolitionist movement at the time and a war fought over it, so the many standards at the time thought it was unjust and inhumane.
This is an exaggerated statement.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:06 am to Bench McElroy
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They committed treason.
Are you certain of that?
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