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re: 155 years ago today....Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant
Posted on 4/9/20 at 4:21 pm to GetCocky11
Posted on 4/9/20 at 4:21 pm to GetCocky11
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I've never understood this assumption.
People see the southern victory, but they don’t see a tattered and bartered Rebel Army, victorious but disorganized, or the Union forts around DC and just assume the Rebs could waltz right into DC.
Bull Run was a great win for the South but they really didn’t gain much of a tactical advantage. It was s a huge morale booster, however.
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 4:23 pm to Sentrius
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If Lee had embraced Guerrilla warfare, the south would've drug out the war for years, possibly a decade or two more before the North gets impatient and negotiates peace terms and ends the war.
But Lee was too honorable and classy for guerrilla warfare so that's that.
Meanwhile life in the South would have been way worse than it was during reconstruction.
Way worse.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 4:24 pm to GetCocky11
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the South had marched into the north after the 1st Bull Run it would have been over with a quickness...
I've never understood this assumption.
I think it rests on the assumption that the end was a truce if Washington, DC fell.
Lee didn't have the resources for a prolonged invasion and the North had major population centers in Philly, New York, etc. The end goal for the South could never have been surrender, but just a truce.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 4:46 pm to Dire Wolf
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Spending the next 100 years with segregation didn’t help the south’s argument either.
yeah let's act like that was exclusive to the South.
MLB didn't integrate until 1947.
St. Louis was the only southern city with a team in the league back then.
Unless you want to also count DC as a southern city.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 5:03 pm to Rep520
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think it rests on the assumption that the end was a truce if Washington, DC fell.
So what if DC falls?
The Union government would still function. There'd be no impact on northern industry.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 5:24 pm to Sentrius
That was never going to happen and would have been terrible for the South. Lee got outmanuevered by Grant and found himself surrounded.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 6:49 pm to GetCocky11
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So what if DC falls?
The Union government would still function. There'd be no impact on northern industry.
Huge morale boost for South, Lincoln in political trouble, lukewarm Northeners about the war gain traction and a political settlement is reached.
But it was never close to falling.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:04 pm to doubleb
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But it was never close to falling.
I’m fairly certain that it was never the CSA’s aim to actually take DC.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:07 pm to Bayou
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Lee was probably the greatest General in History
No, probably not.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:39 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I’m fairly certain that it was never the CSA’s aim to actually take DC.
Right, but they almost attacked very late in the war when Jubal Early’s Corp came close to the city which was barely defended at that time. They had the numbers to do some serious damage, but their troops were exhausted.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:28 pm to Jbird
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The guy is amazing, I liked how he basically snuck away from the University to join the Maine Brigade.
Agreed. The term hero takes in more territory these days than probably it should. That can't be said of him.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:30 pm to doubleb
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Right, but they almost attacked very late in the war when Jubal Early’s Corp came close to the city which was barely defended at that time.
There were 30,000 Union soldiers within the most impregnable fortress city in the world at that point in time pitted against 10,000 Confederates. The outcome was never in doubt. Early made a try for the city at Fort Stevens, got cock blocked fairly easily, and then got his arse kicked by Sheridan at Cedar Creek.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:42 pm to The Spleen
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There was an abolitionist movement at the time and a war fought over it,
The North sure as hell wasn't fighting to free slaves.
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