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re: 155 years ago today....Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:07 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:07 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Owning people is an archaic standard. 
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:08 am to Jbird
Clearly "knightliest" is not a genetic trait found among his heirs.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:08 am to The Spleen
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You don't have to use today's standards. There was an abolitionist movement at the time and a war fought over it, so the many standards at the time thought it was unjust and inhumane.
Well then how is one supposed to view the majority of the founding fathers?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:08 am to The Spleen
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There was an abolitionist movement at the time
It’s the reason we have a Southern Baptist church
The abolitionist movement was strong enough to scare southern politicians.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:08 am to The Spleen
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There was an abolitionist movement
In fairness, the abolitionist movement was a small minority of people centered among Boston high society. Abolitionists believed in equality before the law as well as equality before God. The former wasn't difficult for 19th century Americans to accept, but the latter was definitely an unpopular opinion. There were few Americans living in that time period who believed blacks were equal to whites.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:10 am to TulaneLSU
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I give thanks to God every day for that day. How Southerners, even some of my own ancestors, thought it was acceptable to own others repulses me. This will ultimately devolve into an argument with people saying Southerners were fighting for states rights. Yes, the states’ rights to determine if it is legal to own humans as property. Nothing was genteel or honorable about that.
Very truthful, but of course the OT would downvote you anyway.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:10 am to LCA131
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They committed treason.
Are you certain of that?
Yes.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:11 am to RollTide1987
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There were few Americans living in that time period who believed blacks were equal to whites.
No shite? That has little to do with the abolitionist movement.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:13 am to terd ferguson
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He's prob sucked 3 or 4 since the start of this thread
For money, to keep the economy moving, or just for good times?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:14 am to RollTide1987
It is a shame there ever was slavery in the United States. I wish they had never been a slave here.
Our nation would be a different place if the labor that came here to farm tobacco and cotton had come of their own will for wages and opportunity. It takes a certain ambition to pull up from one's home and sail to the unknown in hopes of a better future. People that did do that are the people that advanced the country.
It is unfortunate we could not have settled the matter without war. The Brazilians did and they had a LOT more slaves than did America.
Our nation would be a different place if the labor that came here to farm tobacco and cotton had come of their own will for wages and opportunity. It takes a certain ambition to pull up from one's home and sail to the unknown in hopes of a better future. People that did do that are the people that advanced the country.
It is unfortunate we could not have settled the matter without war. The Brazilians did and they had a LOT more slaves than did America.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:20 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:16 am to I B Freeman
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. It takes a certain ambition to pull up from one's home and sail to the unknown in hopes of a better future. People that did do that are the people that advanced the country.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:17 am to The Spleen
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There was an abolitionist movement at the time and a war fought over it
Dumbest post in thread
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:17 am to I B Freeman
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Clearly "knightliest" is not a genetic trait found among his heirs.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:18 am to I B Freeman
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Our nation would be a different place if the labor that came here to farm tobacco and cotton had come of their own will for wages and opportunity.
It's almost as if the search for the absolute cheapest labor sources can cause negative effects, huh IBF?
Who woulda thunk it. Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:22 am to RollTide1987
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There were few Americans living in that time period who believed blacks were equal to whites.
Do you have any idea how many Blacks owned Black slaves AT THAT TIME?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:22 am to Mo Jeaux
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search for the absolute cheapest labor sources can cause negative effects, huh IBF?
uhhh--what does that mean?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:23 am to Jbird
155 years ago - Recently enough that my father knew veterans of that conflict.
Don't want to go into a long philosophical debate of the causes of the war and the evils of slavery. Realize the the United States been in existence only 75 years or so, prior to which each colony or state was pretty much an independent country to itself. They weren't accustomed to a powerful central government dictating to them on any issues. Texas had just become a state after a war with Mexico for independence of their own, and their recorded history of the civil war is all about their independence from the federal government. The great majority of Texans were pioneers into the wilderness, not cotton planters.
The adoption of the confederate battle flag as a symbol by hate groups should now be recognized as having made it inappropriate for public display, so as to not be associated with the groups who so use it. In some respects this is a sad end for that flag, under which many thousands of men died valiantly during the conflict, and who as common men did not own slaves. Most were fighting in units made up of their neighbors, farmers, tanners, teachers, lawyers. But it is not the first time in history that a symbol became associated with an indefensible ideology (see Swastika, which originated as a religious symbol before adoption by you know who). I just hope that the courage of the soldiers on both sides can still be recognized despite the political unpopularity of the "cause" for the conflict.
My great-grandfathers who fought for the South had no slaves. One was a farmer in Louisiana. One worked in a lumber mill in Texas and was in Hood's First Texas Brigade, considered Lee's finest troops. As for the idea that a guerrilla campaign should have continued, note that my ggf's company started the war with 155 men from the same town and at the surrender there were only FIVE men left. The army was spent and Lee knew it.
Don't want to go into a long philosophical debate of the causes of the war and the evils of slavery. Realize the the United States been in existence only 75 years or so, prior to which each colony or state was pretty much an independent country to itself. They weren't accustomed to a powerful central government dictating to them on any issues. Texas had just become a state after a war with Mexico for independence of their own, and their recorded history of the civil war is all about their independence from the federal government. The great majority of Texans were pioneers into the wilderness, not cotton planters.
The adoption of the confederate battle flag as a symbol by hate groups should now be recognized as having made it inappropriate for public display, so as to not be associated with the groups who so use it. In some respects this is a sad end for that flag, under which many thousands of men died valiantly during the conflict, and who as common men did not own slaves. Most were fighting in units made up of their neighbors, farmers, tanners, teachers, lawyers. But it is not the first time in history that a symbol became associated with an indefensible ideology (see Swastika, which originated as a religious symbol before adoption by you know who). I just hope that the courage of the soldiers on both sides can still be recognized despite the political unpopularity of the "cause" for the conflict.
My great-grandfathers who fought for the South had no slaves. One was a farmer in Louisiana. One worked in a lumber mill in Texas and was in Hood's First Texas Brigade, considered Lee's finest troops. As for the idea that a guerrilla campaign should have continued, note that my ggf's company started the war with 155 men from the same town and at the surrender there were only FIVE men left. The army was spent and Lee knew it.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:24 am to I B Freeman
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uhhh--what does that mean?
Playing coy? That's cute.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:26 am to I B Freeman
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It is a shame there ever was slavery in the United States. I wish they had never been a slave here.
Our nation would be a different place if the labor that came here to farm tobacco and cotton had come of their own will for wages and opportunity. It takes a certain ambition to pull up from one's home and sail to the unknown in hopes of a better future. People that did do that are the people that advanced the country.
It is unfortunate we could not have settled the matter without war. The Brazilians did and they had a LOT more slaves than did America.
It always amazes me how the African Warlords that SOLD THEIR OWN PEOPLE get a "get out of jail free" card in all this.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:27 am to PhantomMenace
quote:Well said, I concur.
The adoption of the confederate battle flag as a symbol by hate groups should now be recognized as having made it inappropriate for public display, so as to not be associated with the groups who so use it. In some respects this is a sad end for that flag, under which many thousands of men died valiantly during the conflict, and who as common men did not own slaves. Most were fighting in units made up of their neighbors, farmers, tanners, teachers, lawyers. But it is not the first time in history that a symbol became associated with an indefensible ideology (see Swastika, which originated as a religious symbol before adoption by you know who). I just hope that the courage of the soldiers on both sides can still be recognized despite the political unpopularity of the "cause" for the conflict.
My great-grandfathers who fought for the South had no slaves. One was a farmer in Louisiana. One worked in a lumber mill in Texas and was in Hood's First Texas Brigade, considered Lee's finest troops. As for the idea that a guerrilla campaign should have continued, note that my ggf's company started the war with 155 men from the same town and at the surrender there were only FIVE men left. The army was spent and Lee knew it.
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