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re: $15 minimum wage directly contributing to fast-food industry's automation push

Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:36 pm to
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17163 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:36 pm to
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A massive min wage hike will result in unemployed poor people



And it will be low skill labor that can't easily find work elsewhere.

So imagine a world where every restaurant is a giant fast food chain and there is a permanent underclass that can't even find entry level work and a limited to the worst housing and communities.

Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
24884 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:42 pm to
I realize this is a highly politicized argument and a lot of people can't see it through any other lens, but the amount of posts in this thread pretending to be against raising the minimum wage because it will be bad for minimum wage employees is pretty laughable. Especially when the past few months have proven people would rather not work at all than make $9 an hour.

Just be honest and argue the inflation aspect or the burden all those new unemployed people will be on the rest of us and small businesses.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 3:44 pm
Posted by andouille
A table near a waiter.
Member since Dec 2004
11101 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:43 pm to
I had a minimum wage job, when I was in HS. I don't understand people who want to stay at that level. I have a Down's syndrome nephew who got tired of it. intellectually he is 10, he bought a power washer, his take home is the equivalent of $20 hr.

I worked in a field that dealt daily with the poorest people around, scrap pickers. I learned a lot of respect for the work they did and how hard they worked.

Minimum wage raises are false benefits, corporate wage costs generally don't get higher, they lower them by reducing their work force. Additional cost just raise the price of their products. Guess who buys the most fast food?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:44 pm to
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And it will be low skill labor that can't easily find work elsewhere.


Right.

Paying unskilled and uneducated people more solves nothing. Until they are motivated to learn a trade or become further educated, they'll stay at the bottom of the food chain.

Some Western European countries tie training/education to unemployment payments.

People who are not motivated do not need to be given anything. They need more motivation.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
17947 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:46 pm to
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This board loves sucking the corporate dick



First reply in the thread:

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What about the small businesses that can't afford to automate?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:48 pm to
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against raising the minimum wage because it will be bad for minimum wage employees is pretty laughable.


More idiotic projection.

It is bad for min wage employees. Its not hard to tell the economically illiterate on this board.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
71357 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:49 pm to
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, but the amount of posts in this thread pretending to be against raising the minimum wage because it will be bad for minimum wage employees is pretty laughable.
A 15 dollar minimum wage would objectively be bad for one of the many hundreds of thousands of workers who would be rendered unemployed.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25947 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:50 pm to
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Especially when the past few months have proven people would rather not work at all than make $9 an hour.


Would "enhanced" UI benefits have anything to do with that?

Surely it couldn't.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 3:51 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:51 pm to
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proven people would rather not work at all than make $9 an hour.


Stop paying them to do nothing..
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
8508 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:27 pm to


Saw a sign at the local Taco Bell today that offered 20 bucks an hour for entry level positions
Posted by BigD43
Member since Jun 2016
1127 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:29 pm to
That is very unfortunate. It will be a matter of time till USA fast food is as automated as Japan's.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44033 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:32 pm to
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This board loves sucking the corporate dick,


A minimum wage hike won't do shite to corporate America. Small business though? It will kill them.

Not that I expect a fricking idiot like you to comprehend second and third order thinking.



Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44033 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:33 pm to
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That is very unfortunate. It will be a matter of time till USA fast food is as automated as Japan's.



Considering the absolute shite service you get in fast food outside of CFA, one can only hope we can be as automated as Japan.

Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
24884 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:56 pm to
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It is bad for min wage employees. Its not hard to tell the economically illiterate on this board.


No. It would be bad for the people that lost their jobs. Wouldn't be bad for the ones that got a raise and kept their job.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:11 pm to
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It would be bad for the people that lost their jobs.


No shite. Which defeats the purpose of minimum wage.

Would you rather your income be contingent on when the government raises the min wage, or would you rather have skills that could increase your income 10x?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:11 pm to
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A 15 dollar minimum wage would objectively be bad for one of the many hundreds of thousands of workers who would be rendered unemployed.



A $15 minimum wage would not have much appreciable impact on most metropolitan areas. It would have a pretty significant impact in smaller towns, especially small businesses. Which is why it should be indexed to the coat of living.
Posted by jkylejohnson
Alexandria
Member since Dec 2016
14272 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:27 pm to
It’s so sad to me that fast food joints are such a thriving business. People are frickin gross
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:30 pm to
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Which is why it should be indexed to the coat of living.


Or eliminated. Putting us in the same group with Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, and Switzerland.
Posted by GusMcRae
Deep in the heart...
Member since Oct 2008
3545 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:32 pm to
It’s touch screen, etc., not voice and voice recognition, ya dingbat.

I’ve used these many times and prefer them to human interaction for the most part.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
12255 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:43 pm to
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 I have a Down's syndrome nephew who got tired of it. intellectually he is 10, he bought a power washer, his take home is the equivalent of $20 hr.

The essential message here is that leftism is apparently a bigger handicap than mental retardation. Honestly, not shocking at all.
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