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re: Who is in favor of paying Marcus Williams?

Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:26 pm to
All depends on what he commands. He does not deserve top 5 safety money. Regardless of what PFF says, his instincts are a bit lacking and show in the bad angles and late jumps he takes on deeper throws. I think he is still overthinking it sometimes. Overall, I think he is a good safety and deserves that type of money. However, I would not break the bank for him.
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74481 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:39 pm to
I mean if he was sacking the QB, making TFL and jarring balls loose he would be the best safety in the league. Of course he has deficiencies. You’ll be let down if you’re measuring a guy against perfection.

He’s played nearly 3k snaps on defense as a 21/22/23 year old... close your eyes and think about that. Wow, that sure is a lot of snaps and this guy is pretty young. And you can cherry pick a few bad plays? Let’s go big picture here
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
34954 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:27 pm to
You def sign Marcus Williams, especially since Dennis Allen is the dc
He loves playing Williams as the only deep safety and he covers more ground than most realize
I wouldn't start over now with a new free safety
No one on the roster is going to cover the ground Williams does
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
3124 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:38 pm to
I just feel like you can probably use your second round pick next year on a guy that can do the same thing that Marcus Williams is doing right now. If he will sign for around 6 million next year then great. If he wants much more than that then I’m not interested. He isn’t a game changer
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7942 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:50 pm to
"I know people want to harp on a play or two"

There is definitely that element to it, but for me, it's more that I just don't see Williams as much of a playmaker. I would expect someone with that high of a grade to "show out" a little more. Anyway, thanks for the good post and info.
Posted by fightingtigers98
Member since Oct 2011
13307 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 3:21 pm to
He’s got 10 interceptions since 2017 which is 5th most in the league
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
3124 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

He’s got 10 interceptions since 2017 which is 5th most in the league


Where are you getting this from?
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74481 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 4:23 pm to
Remember he came into the league pretty light at 202 lbs, lighter than 75% of safeties drafted into the league since 2000. He’s gonna be lighter than most guys charging downfield with the ball. He’s more finesse but he’s not a finished product

I think we want to be around when the elite athleticism and the elite ball skills combine with a few other little things that’ll make Williams one of the best
Posted by fightingtigers98
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:44 pm to
Pro Football Reference’s database

LINK
Posted by Chief Hinge
There and Here
Member since Sep 2018
3237 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:47 pm to
Bye Felicia
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
3124 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 6:47 pm to
I mean he is 15th on that list but I get you are saying that he is 5th as a safety. I’m still not crazy about resigning him to big money
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 6:57 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74481 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 7:45 pm to
No, he’s tied for 5th most. Including CBs
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
3124 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 7:57 pm to
No that is not what that link says. He is tied for 10th.

Slots 10 - 15 have 10 ints if you are counting all dbs.
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 7:59 pm
Posted by LooseCannon22282
South Alabama Fan
Member since May 2008
36081 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:04 pm to
It really is a tough call.



Posted by saintsfan1977
Arkansas, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
10528 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:44 pm to
Let him walk. He is good safety but in crunch time he sucks and there is no fixing that. He us either getting paid under the table to make bad plays or he sucks when it counts but he is a detrimental to the team.
Posted by MONROE
In the belly of the beast
Member since Sep 2015
4400 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:54 pm to
Let him go
Posted by fightingtigers98
Member since Oct 2011
13307 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:56 pm to
Nine players have more interceptions, but the 10 interceptions is the fifth highest total of in the league.
(INTs- # of players)
17- 1
13- 2
12- 3
11- 3
10- 6

But over three seasons, 10 interceptions is the fifth most. Isolate the number of interceptions, it’s 17, 13, 12, 11 and then 10. No matter how many people are grouped in each, 10 is still the fifth highest amount across the board.
Posted by fightingtigers98
Member since Oct 2011
13307 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:58 pm to
Also, Kevin Byard, who leads with 17 interceptions, had 8 in his second season. He was 24.

Marcus Williams will just be turning 24 on Sept. 8. This will be his fourth season. Just to show how young of a player he has been.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74481 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:59 pm to
The link doesn’t says tied for 5th most INTs?

One guy has 17
Two have 13
Three have 12
Three have 11

Williams and five others have 10

He’s tied for 5th most

You’re telling me he’s not?
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12805 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 10:18 pm to
Are y’all serious with this 5th most?
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