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re: Which Jameis are you expecting us to get this year?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Bruce Arians is not a good coach. FYI.
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:03 am to cbree88
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Which Jameis are you expecting us to get this year?
he hasnt changed one bit, that was just fans wish casting he would be a different person.
payton kept on his arse non stop to be careful with the ball but that just made him super hesitant and it showed.
he will now revert to the tampa version he always was and who knows how bad it can get, it all depends on the defense to offset his mistakes.
allen will also be the same HC he was before and that will be very bad for us too. nothing that happens this year will be good im afraid.
we may see trevor take over as our starting QB by game 10 if it goes as bad as i think it will.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:06 am to Screaming Viking
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When Sean was suspended, it seemed to me that Carmichael stuck with the run more than Sean did.
No, we averaged almost 42 passes per game. We also had the worst defense in NFL history so that played a role.
Nick Underhill mentioned last week on his pod that Pete is actually more pass centric and it was Sean that had to focus on running the ball in game plan meetings.
We won’t throw 670 times like 2012 but we’re going to throw a lot.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:19 am to cbree88
With the talent around him he'd better make the pro-bowl.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ironically the Bucs really took a step when Brady took over more of the offense and stopped this
But many of the posters don't want to hear this, they just want to be able to shout that Brady won a SB with the EXACT same team
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:59 am to keakar
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he hasnt changed one bit, that was just fans wish casting he would be a different person.
payton kept on his arse non stop to be careful with the ball but that just made him super hesitant and it showed.
he will now revert to the tampa version he always was and who knows how bad it can get, it all depends on the defense to offset his mistakes.
allen will also be the same HC he was before and that will be very bad for us too. nothing that happens this year will be good im afraid.
we may see trevor take over as our starting QB by game 10 if it goes as bad as i think it will.
to balance out this pathetically negative take:
17-0
NFL MVP
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:27 am to keakar
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he hasnt changed one bit, that was just fans wish casting he would be a different person.
payton kept on his arse non stop to be careful with the ball but that just made him super hesitant and it showed.
he will now revert to the tampa version he always was and who knows how bad it can get, it all depends on the defense to offset his mistakes.
allen will also be the same HC he was before and that will be very bad for us too. nothing that happens this year will be good im afraid.
we may see trevor take over as our starting QB by game 10 if it goes as bad as i think it will.
Way to show you know completely nothing about Saints football. Trevor isn't even on the team anymore you bozo.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:02 pm to jmcwhrter
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you could tell in his play that he looked like he was playing in front of an overbearing father
I love how you try to make this seem like a bad thing. There were several plays where you could see Winston start to try to do something stupid like toss the ball off then catch himself. Clearly something was rubbing off to prevent dumb plays
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 3:27 pm to keakar
quote:
he hasnt changed one bit, that was just fans wish casting he would be a different person.
payton kept on his arse non stop to be careful with the ball but that just made him super hesitant and it showed.
he will now revert to the tampa version he always was and who knows how bad it can get, it all depends on the defense to offset his mistakes.
allen will also be the same HC he was before and that will be very bad for us too. nothing that happens this year will be good im afraid.
we may see trevor take over as our starting QB by game 10 if it goes as bad as i think it will.
This really is a horrible post from top to bottom. You don't even know our roster.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 3:33 pm to cbree88
28 TDs, 16 Ints...assuming he plays the whole year
Posted on 6/22/22 at 3:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah he's also cheap as frick for a QB so it's not like we're screwed if he fails. He's also young enough that, if he does turn the corner, we have a QB for 5-7 more years.
The fact that so many fans can't see this makes me sad for our fanbase. The raw physical gifts that Winston has are IMO.
He is putting out an effort to relearn his instinctive approach so he can avoid trying to make things happen when he shouldn't. Those were usually the dumb plays that people always talk about. If he does that, New Orleans has a great asset at QB. If he doesn't, he is no worse than a 3rd or 4th round pick who doesn't pan out, IMO.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:39 pm to mdomingue
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If he doesn't, he is no worse than a 3rd or 4th round pick who doesn't pan out, IMO.
Jameis is going to be so much better than a generic 3rd or 4th rounder
Would people on this board be happier with Matt Ryan for a year or 2 and having to cut guys and not sign guys like Mathieu, Mayes, Jarvis, etc?
Or a similar question but with Jimmy G?
What is this mythical better option?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Jameis is going to be so much better than a generic 3rd or 4th rounder
My point was what we are paying for him makes him no more of a miss, should he fail, than a third or fourth round draft pick, Low risk, high reward potential was my point.
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Would people on this board be happier with Matt Ryan for a year or 2 and having to cut guys and not sign guys like Mathieu, Mayes, Jarvis, etc?
Not this people
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Or a similar question but with Jimmy G?
What is this mythical better option?
Jameis was the best option with what we needed elsewhere and the money we had. Watson, without the baggage, was probably the only one worth losing out on the other pieces. But then we would probably have been anemic in the WR department and developed some holes in the defense. So with the baggage he was a dumpster fire waiting to happen.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:40 pm to GMoney2600
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You don't even know our roster.
half those signed to the roster wont even be there after the cuts. so no i dont spend my days researching the life history of whatever washed up recycled QB they signed to back up winston.
but odds are very high that that is the guy who will be our starting QB by years end when winston gets benched
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:12 pm to cbree88
At this point Jamieis is what he is average
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:17 pm to keakar
Just for clarification purposes, when called out for saying
You respond with
and you expect to be taken seriously?
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we may see trevor take over as our starting QB by game 10 if it goes as bad as i think it will.
You respond with
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half those signed to the roster wont even be there after the cuts. so no i dont spend my days researching the life history of whatever washed up recycled QB they signed to back up winston.
but odds are very high that that is the guy who will be our starting QB by years end when winston gets benched
and you expect to be taken seriously?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:19 am to Sauce Castieaux
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Too many games last year where it felt like he was way too conservative stalling out the offense. Not making plays because you are scared of turning it over aint always great either
I honestly feel like it won’t be much different until chemistry builds between Jameis and Olave, Landry and Thomas. Lean on conservative offense, not turning it over and damn good defense until Pete and Jameis get their legs under them.
However, even if he is conservative, I do think we have enough playmakers on offense now: Kamara, Ingram, Taysom, Harris (Harty), Jarvis, MT13, and now Olave to help Jameis out enough to make us just good enough offensively. If the Niners can make it to the NFCCG and Super Bowl with Jimmy G, I think Jameis can get there. We know the D will be there. It’s just a matter of Jameis being efficient and Pete calling good games.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 8:23 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:38 pm to keakar
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he hasnt changed one bit, that was just fans wish casting he would be a different person.
If you really believed this statement, and actually understood football, then you would have an optimistic viewpoint of Winston and this offense. When Winston was in a more conservative offense, he had a completion rate of 62.8%, averaged around 280 yards a game, 1.7 TDs a game, and 0.9 INTs per game.
When he was in an offense that focused a lot more on attacking the defense deep, he was forcing the ball a lot more. His numbers were 60.7% completion percentage, 319 yards a game, 2.1 TDs a game, 1.9 INTs per game
Unless Carmichael suddenly decides to start running a more aggressive offense, your statement that he's the same guy says he'll be around 280 yards a game, 1.7 TDs a game, and 0.9 INTs per game. Which is 4750 yds, 30 TDs & 15 INTs on the year. That would have him falling somewhere in the middle of all QBs (QB rating is actually between Mac Jones & Josh Allen)
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:57 pm to cbree88
Saints' offensive style is built off of a blend of the Coryell and West Coast schemes. This new offensive era looks like we'll build around our skill players.
Trading in Lil Jordan, Ty Montgomery, and Kenny Stills for MT, Jarvis Landry, and Chris Olave should unlock more opportunities for more Coryell style elements. The Coryell schemes favor QBs with strong arms and talented offensive weapons.
In the Brees era, with Brees' elite timing, accuracy, checkdowns, reading defenses, etc you didn't need big time playmakers. You could rely on the west coast style to pick apart defenses to death.
But regarding Jameis, if he improves his short/intermediate throws and checkdowns (which he's been practicing heavily in OTAs) he will shine in an offense that is essentially built for him. Or at the very least we'll see his ceiling this season.
I can see a future where his season looks something like:
65% comp, around 4,000 yards, 36 TDs, 14 INTs
But time will tell.
Trading in Lil Jordan, Ty Montgomery, and Kenny Stills for MT, Jarvis Landry, and Chris Olave should unlock more opportunities for more Coryell style elements. The Coryell schemes favor QBs with strong arms and talented offensive weapons.
In the Brees era, with Brees' elite timing, accuracy, checkdowns, reading defenses, etc you didn't need big time playmakers. You could rely on the west coast style to pick apart defenses to death.
But regarding Jameis, if he improves his short/intermediate throws and checkdowns (which he's been practicing heavily in OTAs) he will shine in an offense that is essentially built for him. Or at the very least we'll see his ceiling this season.
I can see a future where his season looks something like:
65% comp, around 4,000 yards, 36 TDs, 14 INTs
But time will tell.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 1:39 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I honestly feel like it won’t be much different until chemistry builds between Jameis and Olave, Landry and Thomas.
Honestly, Winston realized this which is why he pushed himself through mini camp. He wanted to start on building that chemistry prior to training camp.
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