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Vroski504
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re: Michael Thomas no longer a Top 10 WR?
Posted by Vroski504 on 7/14/22 at 1:23 pm to Weekend Warrior79
I totally agree. 2016 - 2019 he was a top 10 WR each season including his rookie year.
As long as he's playing this season, he'll crack 1,000 yards.
As long as he's playing this season, he'll crack 1,000 yards.
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Saints' offensive style is built off of a blend of the Coryell and West Coast schemes. This new offensive era looks like we'll build around our skill players.
Trading in Lil Jordan, Ty Montgomery, and Kenny Stills for MT, Jarvis Landry, and Chris Olave should unlock more opportunities for more Coryell style elements. The Coryell schemes favor QBs with strong arms and talented offensive weapons.
In the Brees era, with Brees' elite timing, accuracy, checkdowns, reading defenses, etc you didn't need big time playmakers. You could rely on the west coast style to pick apart defenses to death.
But regarding Jameis, if he improves his short/intermediate throws and checkdowns (which he's been practicing heavily in OTAs) he will shine in an offense that is essentially built for him. Or at the very least we'll see his ceiling this season.
I can see a future where his season looks something like:
65% comp, around 4,000 yards, 36 TDs, 14 INTs
But time will tell.
Trading in Lil Jordan, Ty Montgomery, and Kenny Stills for MT, Jarvis Landry, and Chris Olave should unlock more opportunities for more Coryell style elements. The Coryell schemes favor QBs with strong arms and talented offensive weapons.
In the Brees era, with Brees' elite timing, accuracy, checkdowns, reading defenses, etc you didn't need big time playmakers. You could rely on the west coast style to pick apart defenses to death.
But regarding Jameis, if he improves his short/intermediate throws and checkdowns (which he's been practicing heavily in OTAs) he will shine in an offense that is essentially built for him. Or at the very least we'll see his ceiling this season.
I can see a future where his season looks something like:
65% comp, around 4,000 yards, 36 TDs, 14 INTs
But time will tell.
re: 2011 vs 2018 - Who you taking?
Posted by Vroski504 on 2/4/22 at 10:23 am to LlyodChristmas
Both great teams, but I have to go 2011 team.
You can argue the 2018 team had better key defensive players that eventually compromised the elite defense we have today, but that 2011 offense was just unreal.
Jimmy Graham in the Saints offense was UNFAIR.
Lining him up along with prime Colston gave us 2 big target 1000 yard WRs while also having Lance Moore, Devery Henderson, and Meachem made for a hell of WR corps. Not to mention you had prime 5,476 yard passing season Brees throwing to them.
Also our backfield in 2011 was STACKED.
Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory.
Essentially 4 RB1 backs on a team.
That team just had too many ways to beat you.
You can argue the 2018 team had better key defensive players that eventually compromised the elite defense we have today, but that 2011 offense was just unreal.
Jimmy Graham in the Saints offense was UNFAIR.
Lining him up along with prime Colston gave us 2 big target 1000 yard WRs while also having Lance Moore, Devery Henderson, and Meachem made for a hell of WR corps. Not to mention you had prime 5,476 yard passing season Brees throwing to them.
Also our backfield in 2011 was STACKED.
Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory.
Essentially 4 RB1 backs on a team.
That team just had too many ways to beat you.
Eric Bieniemy
Posted by Vroski504 on 2/3/22 at 5:59 pm
The Saints want to speak with Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy for the head coaching job per @JFowlerESPN
I don’t see anywhere on this forum mentioning Brian Daboll getting the Giants HC job before this post.
I added a couple of questions for some discussion. I’d love to hear what y’all think!
I added a couple of questions for some discussion. I’d love to hear what y’all think!
Interesting Development: Brian Flores
Posted by Vroski504 on 1/28/22 at 5:10 pm
For the record, I'm all for Saints hiring internally and promoting Dennis Allen to HC. Also I'm a Jameis supporter and would love to see him return. I think maintaining the culture built over the last 15 years is key, especially during these times.
Over the last week, however, I've noticed some interesting developments. Starting with New York Giants co-owner John Mara backing Daniel Jones as their starting quarterback. This came at a time where Brian Flores was the top candidate for the Giants HC job and fans speculated an effort to have Watson join Flores in New York.
However, according to this source , it appears Brian Daboll is now in line to take the position as Giants' new HC.
As of today, the Saints have requested an interview with Brian Flores. Could Flores be looking for a team that would pair he and Deshaun Watson together?
Now realistically, this is unlikely as the Saints have not even begun making any big restructuring moves. However, this is very interesting to keep an eye on. Flores has to land somewhere if not with the Giants.
What do you think a potential trade for Watson would look like? How much would you be comfortable with giving up for Watson?
Over the last week, however, I've noticed some interesting developments. Starting with New York Giants co-owner John Mara backing Daniel Jones as their starting quarterback. This came at a time where Brian Flores was the top candidate for the Giants HC job and fans speculated an effort to have Watson join Flores in New York.
However, according to this source , it appears Brian Daboll is now in line to take the position as Giants' new HC.
As of today, the Saints have requested an interview with Brian Flores. Could Flores be looking for a team that would pair he and Deshaun Watson together?
Now realistically, this is unlikely as the Saints have not even begun making any big restructuring moves. However, this is very interesting to keep an eye on. Flores has to land somewhere if not with the Giants.
What do you think a potential trade for Watson would look like? How much would you be comfortable with giving up for Watson?
I believe he'll suit up next season and produce. I'm not sure what the relationship is like between CSP and MT, but if the relationship is still rocky after next season it would make more since for both parties to trade him after a full season of play to boost his trade value and clear more cap space than a trade right now.
re: 1st Round WR- who should it be?
Posted by Vroski504 on 1/14/22 at 2:36 pm to DallasTiger45
I totally agree with that WR list. Burks will be an eventual WR1 on whichever team he ends up on. Best WR in the draft. Love Garrett Wilson too as a close second.
I'd group Olave and and Jameson in the same tier. Olave has some crisp route running. In my opinion, after these 4 WRs there's a drop off in talent. Not saying any of the remaining WRs are bad, but I can definitely see the Saints moving onto the next best available player outside of WR.
I'd group Olave and and Jameson in the same tier. Olave has some crisp route running. In my opinion, after these 4 WRs there's a drop off in talent. Not saying any of the remaining WRs are bad, but I can definitely see the Saints moving onto the next best available player outside of WR.
Burks is a future WR1 to whichever team drafts him. He's an absolute beast and can make an impact on a team as rookie.
Honestly, I'm seeing a lot of these mock drafts with at least one of the top 4 WRs still available at #18.
Those 4 being Treylon Burks, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, or Jameson Williams.
Those 4 being Treylon Burks, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, or Jameson Williams.
re: What QB is attainable and acceptable?
Posted by Vroski504 on 1/10/22 at 6:47 pm to warlock1974
I really believe that the chemistry Jameis has with the rest of the team is in invaluable. If you aim to trade for a QB in the offseason, you'd go for a huge upgrade like Wilson not someone in the same tier.
I personally think the team gets more value keeping the draft picks that they'd have to trade away for another QB.
I personally think the team gets more value keeping the draft picks that they'd have to trade away for another QB.
re: Start fresh..start over..hit reset button
Posted by Vroski504 on 1/10/22 at 6:37 pm to Perception
You do realize had Jameis not gotten injured you're looking at a 12 win team at the least? And that's without MT.
The only Wilson I want is Garrett Wilson.
Winston with weapons would be exciting to see.
He's 5-2 without a true WR1 and WR2.
But I trust CSP to make the right decision at QB.
Winston with weapons would be exciting to see.
He's 5-2 without a true WR1 and WR2.
But I trust CSP to make the right decision at QB.
Assuming we pick at Todd's prediction with the available players, you definitely go for Treylon Burks or Garrett Wilson. Those are the top WRs in the draft and both have bright futures. Could be future WR1s to any teams that pick them.
Coming from a Jameis supporter, Taysom right now is our best bet at QB to finish out the season. Our primary strengths on offense right now are him and Kamara. Because we currently don't have the receiving options to facilitate a good passing offense, we can use Taysom's dual threat tools to move the ball down field and rely on our championship-caliber defense to get us wins (Can get us wins, but probably not enough for a playoff berth) .
I will say as bad as Siemian looked as a starter, he did not have Kamara for 3 of the 4 games he started. By no means is Siemian anywhere near a franchise QB, but it is something to think about. At this point with all these injuries, we don't have an offense without Kamara.
That being said, next year if we can surround Jameis with more weapons, whether its a 1st/2nd round WR or a solid FA WR signing with the return of MT, I see this team emerging as a top contender on both sides of the ball.
I know there's talk of Rodgers and Russ this offseason, but I truly think Winston is our next franchise QB. We'd have to give up draft capital and more money for either Russ/Rodgers, which could be allocated to more offensive weapons. Love him or hate him, Winston is 5-2 without a true WR1 and WR2. Some people forget we also lost Emmanuel Sanders from last season. Again just something to think about.
I will say as bad as Siemian looked as a starter, he did not have Kamara for 3 of the 4 games he started. By no means is Siemian anywhere near a franchise QB, but it is something to think about. At this point with all these injuries, we don't have an offense without Kamara.
That being said, next year if we can surround Jameis with more weapons, whether its a 1st/2nd round WR or a solid FA WR signing with the return of MT, I see this team emerging as a top contender on both sides of the ball.
I know there's talk of Rodgers and Russ this offseason, but I truly think Winston is our next franchise QB. We'd have to give up draft capital and more money for either Russ/Rodgers, which could be allocated to more offensive weapons. Love him or hate him, Winston is 5-2 without a true WR1 and WR2. Some people forget we also lost Emmanuel Sanders from last season. Again just something to think about.
I think if there's any move today, it'll be for an offensive threat. At this point, some targets could be TE Evan Engram, WR Jamison Crowder, WR Denzel Mims, and WR Darius Slayton.
I think they'll ride with either Hill or Siemian for the rest of the season. I'd actually be surprised if we made any moves today.
I think they'll ride with either Hill or Siemian for the rest of the season. I'd actually be surprised if we made any moves today.
If money was no issue, Allen Robinson for sure. He's still a top 10 WR just stuck on a bad offense. He and MT alone would be a nightmare for defenses.
But there's no chance we get him.
But there's no chance we get him.
You called it!
re: Evan Ingram
Posted by Vroski504 on 10/27/21 at 1:13 pm to DomincDecoco
Hell yeah. Steal for a 5th rounder.
re: Possible Trade and or Free Agent WR targets
Posted by Vroski504 on 10/27/21 at 10:35 am to TutHillTiger
Looks like there are multiple teams calling about the availability of Falcons' TE Hayden Hurst and Giants' TE Evan Engram. Could the Saints be one of those teams?
Evan Engram
Hayden Hurst
Evan Engram
Hayden Hurst
re: Possible Trade and or Free Agent WR targets
Posted by Vroski504 on 10/26/21 at 9:28 am to TutHillTiger
I've compiled a list of targets (within the realm of possibility) that the Saints should consider.
WR Trade Targets
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Chicago - Allen Robinson (Physical) (6'2" 220lbs) (Likely just a fantasy)
Cleveland - Odell Beckham Jr. (Deep Threat) (5'11" 198lbs)
Dallas - Michael Gallup (Deep Threat) (6'1" 198lbs)
Denver - Tim Patrick (Deep Threat) (6'4" 210lbs)
Kansas City - Demarcus Robinson (Deep Threat) (6'1" 203lbs)
Miami - DeVante Parker (Physical) (6'3" 211lbs)
New England
- Kendrick Bourne (Deep Threat) (6'1" 203lbs)
- Jakobi Meyers (Slot) (6'2" 203lbs)
- N'Keal Harry (Physical) (6'3" 225lbs)
N.Y. Giants - Darius Slayton (Deep Threat) (6'1" 190lbs)
N.Y. Jets
- Denzel Mims (Deep Threat) (6'3" 207lbs)
- Jamison Crowder (Slot) (5'9" 177lbs)
Honestly, if we can land a solid WR2 I think we'll be in good shape considering we were missing Hill, Thomas, and Harris last night.
WR Trade Targets
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Chicago - Allen Robinson (Physical) (6'2" 220lbs) (Likely just a fantasy)
Cleveland - Odell Beckham Jr. (Deep Threat) (5'11" 198lbs)
Dallas - Michael Gallup (Deep Threat) (6'1" 198lbs)
Denver - Tim Patrick (Deep Threat) (6'4" 210lbs)
Kansas City - Demarcus Robinson (Deep Threat) (6'1" 203lbs)
Miami - DeVante Parker (Physical) (6'3" 211lbs)
New England
- Kendrick Bourne (Deep Threat) (6'1" 203lbs)
- Jakobi Meyers (Slot) (6'2" 203lbs)
- N'Keal Harry (Physical) (6'3" 225lbs)
N.Y. Giants - Darius Slayton (Deep Threat) (6'1" 190lbs)
N.Y. Jets
- Denzel Mims (Deep Threat) (6'3" 207lbs)
- Jamison Crowder (Slot) (5'9" 177lbs)
Honestly, if we can land a solid WR2 I think we'll be in good shape considering we were missing Hill, Thomas, and Harris last night.
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