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What is the Argument for Blowing it Up?
Posted on 1/17/20 at 8:47 am
Posted on 1/17/20 at 8:47 am
All of these trade talks basically concede giving away AK41 and multiple first and second round picks. This means we have no desire to win next year, as our offense would be depleted with no way of restocking it. We would be in cap hell with Brees's dead cap hit, or if he stays, we spent all of that to move up for a player who won't even play. With no early picks in 2021 we won't be able to rebuild through the draft then, and we will have no cap space as a lot of players need contracts before then.
Why do some of you want to ruin a team that has won 37 games over the last three years, and has been arguably a top 3 team during that stretch? We are two plays away from potentially being in back to back Super Bowls.
Why do some of you want to ruin a team that has won 37 games over the last three years, and has been arguably a top 3 team during that stretch? We are two plays away from potentially being in back to back Super Bowls.
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Posted on 1/17/20 at 8:52 am to lionward2014
Its not really blowing it up. Its re-tooling with a young QB that is older than Lamar Jackson. Joe Burrow is NFL ready and living life without AK is not hard. MT13 would be hardest to replace but its just a price well worth of obtaining a dream scenario Joe Burrow.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 8:52 am to lionward2014
Amen my brotha!
Posted on 1/17/20 at 8:59 am to lionward2014
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What is the Argument for Blowing it Up?
Either Drew and the pieces you have are good enough to win another championship, or they aren't. If they aren't good enough and you have a shot at filling the most impactful position in the game with a high level player on a rookie contract, in hind sight you're probably going to wish you'd have blown it up instead of teasing yourself for another season or 2.
I don't follow the Saints closely enough to say we should or shouldn't blow it up, but that's the argument, we've fallen short the past few years for reasons that won't change and will likely get even more stacked against us. So if you're going to rebuild, do it in a year where you can get the most important foundational piece.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:01 am to TigerinATL
How much changed between ‘18 and ‘19? Because the ‘18 Saints should’ve had a chance to win it all and likely could have.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 9:02 am
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:04 am to Chad504boy
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Its not really blowing it up. Its re-tooling with a young QB that is older than Lamar Jackson. Joe Burrow is NFL ready and living life without AK is not hard. MT13 would be hardest to replace but its just a price well worth of obtaining a dream scenario Joe Burrow.
THIS! I hope we would be able to get a decent WR later that could develop in SPs system, just like Colston did too. Remember how low we drafted Thomas! An arguemant could be made that he is a system receiver too!
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:05 am to lionward2014
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Why do some of you want to ruin a team that has won 37 games over the last three years,
Some people collapse and crumble at the slightest bit of disappointment. Some people don’t
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:15 am to Chad504boy
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Its re-tooling with a young QB
Is it though? We need the max amount of salary cap space to resign some guys or find replacements. Either immediately or after next season we need to resign or replace a lot of guys like Peat, Bell, Rankins, Davis, Cook, Apple, Jenkins, Anzalone, etc. not having early draft picks or cap space will really make that difficult. That might not be blowing it up, but that is sucking for a few seasons.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:16 am to BattinRouge11
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Remember how low we drafted Thomas!
The mid-second round?
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An arguemant could be made that he is a system receiver too!
You are an idiot.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:27 am to lionward2014
LOL...gutting your team for a rookie QB is literally the definition of blowing it up.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:33 am to saints5021
I think the argument is that the Saints with Brees are now a very good but not great team. Good enough to get into the playoffs. Not good enough to win a SB.
Even in the playoffs the year we got hosed, Brees wasn't lighting the world on fire.
He looked amazing down the stretch of 2019 before the bad playoff game.
I think you unless you can get Burrow without completely killing the roster, you have to try. Otherwise just roll Brees out and go 11-5 and another early round playoff loss.
Even in the playoffs the year we got hosed, Brees wasn't lighting the world on fire.
He looked amazing down the stretch of 2019 before the bad playoff game.
I think you unless you can get Burrow without completely killing the roster, you have to try. Otherwise just roll Brees out and go 11-5 and another early round playoff loss.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:42 am to ElRoos
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How much changed between ‘18 and ‘19? Because the ‘18 Saints should’ve had a chance to win it all and likely could have.
Well, we had 2nd year draft class that were coming off of a historic rookie season across the board. Most if not all of them were playing at or above the same level last year. This year we saw a significant drop-off. That's a huge component.
But to be honest Drew Brees is a huge part of what's changed. He's brilliant and likely the best QB we'll ever see in New Orleans, but the thumb injury is a certain reminder there is a shelf life. The longer the Saints go on putting him in the driver seat, the bigger the risk of the wheels coming off. Going to also be the devil's advocate, the year that Denver won it all with Elway fans were saying the same exact thing about him.
However, not every franchise gets to send their best player out on a high note. Sometimes you have to be grateful of what was earned and leave it at that. It's time to move on.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 9:57 am
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:43 am to lionward2014
Nothing is getting blown up. It’s just low IQ fans theorizing
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:56 am to lionward2014
Plan above allows us the most cap space to use for such moves.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 9:57 am
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:59 am to Chad504boy
How is two 13-3 teams not considered great? Were the 16-0 Patriots not great because they didn't win a championship. Were all the Manning Colts teams not great because they had playoff failures?
You clowns are something else. Take the Patriots out of the equation, how many teams have had one 13-3 season in the last 10 years and followed it up without a dropoff? It is fricking hard to win 10 games in the NFL. You don't blow up 13 win teams because of a playoff loss.
You clowns are something else. Take the Patriots out of the equation, how many teams have had one 13-3 season in the last 10 years and followed it up without a dropoff? It is fricking hard to win 10 games in the NFL. You don't blow up 13 win teams because of a playoff loss.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:01 am to Chad504boy
Chad is 100% correct.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:01 am to ElRoos
Right.
This team can see still get it done
You just have to add a couple weapons on both sides of the ball
You don't almost get to the super bowl a year ago and blow it up now imo
This team can see still get it done
You just have to add a couple weapons on both sides of the ball
You don't almost get to the super bowl a year ago and blow it up now imo
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:07 am to saints5021
I’d argue the opposite actually. Say Brees decides to hang it up. You have his dead cap but, you’re not having to give him another 30M. You give up a few first round picks to get a rookie scale QB and then you have that $$ freed up to pay all those guys you want drafted from 16-17.
I’d argue whenever the rookie QB comes up to be paid is when you’re really possibly “blowing it up” because you won’t be able to pay everyone.
ETA: I’m not incredibly confident Brees gets through a whole season fresh again. I think the 6 weeks off last year were huge in his great play down the stretch. If he plays 16 games again, hows his arm in the playoffs?
I’d argue whenever the rookie QB comes up to be paid is when you’re really possibly “blowing it up” because you won’t be able to pay everyone.
ETA: I’m not incredibly confident Brees gets through a whole season fresh again. I think the 6 weeks off last year were huge in his great play down the stretch. If he plays 16 games again, hows his arm in the playoffs?
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 10:08 am
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:13 am to Chalkywhite84
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Right.
This team can see still get it done
You just have to add a couple weapons on both sides of the ball
You don't almost get to the super bowl a year ago and blow it up now imo
Yeah, that's exactly how I'm thinking. But idk who we will lose this offseason, so it's kinda hard to say at this point. If they have to go rebuild, I am fine with that as well, but it's not like our division is crazy good atm.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:19 am to lionward2014
Because effectively punting one season to be competitive the next 15 seasons is an idea anyone who is a fan of the actual team should be for.
I am not beholden to Brees.
I am not beholden to Brees.
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