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Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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The 2019 NFL Draft was known to be a weak year at the cornerback position, but one player who was expected to go on the second day of the draft was Florida's Chauncey Gardner-Johnson. With the Gators, Gardner-Johnson played cornerback and safety before settling into a nickel corner/slot safety role as a junior. He replaced Duke Dawson in that position and had a solid final season before deciding to skip his senior year and declare early for the 2019 NFL Draft. Gardner-Johnson showed a good skill set in college and in the pre-draft workouts with size, speed, and athleticism. There was no doubt about among scouts that Gardner-Johnson had better physical tools than Dawson, who was a second-round pick of the Patriots in the 2018 NFL Draft. Thus it was a surprise when Gardner-Johnson slid to the fourth round of the 2019 NFL Draft before being selected.

In speaking to team sources, there were a few issues that led to Gardner-Johnson sliding. The biggest reason for the fall was some teams had character concerns about Gardner-Johnson. They had reservations about him fitting into the locker room and worried about him butting heads with coaches. They have questions about how coachable Gardner-Johnson was as well. His lack of football I.Q. was concern to some, while others felt he was a corner/safety tweener who didn't have a natural fit in coverage. Thus, those factors combined to leading to Gardner-Johnson falling in the 2019 NFL Draft.

The New Orleans Saints ended Gardner-Johnson's fall when they moved up in the fourth round to take him. That aggressive move to land him illustrates that the Saints really wanted him and have plans for how to use him. Gardner-Johnson could be a good fit in their defense and could provide some instant competition at nickel cornerback. New Orleans declined the fifth-year option on Eli Apple, while P.J. Williams has been a disappointment. Apple, Williams, Gardner-Johnson and veteran Pat Robinson could compete for playing time next to Marshon Lattimore. Gardner-Johnson also could provide some depth at safety behind Vonn Bell and Marcus Williams. Considering the Saints have a need at corner, Gardner-Johnson should have a good opportunity earn a roster spot and have a shot at early playing time for them.

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TSLG
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
So, he's stupid and doesn't like authority?

That can be a bad combo.


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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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while P.J. Williams has been a disappointment


This just isn’t true.


tigerterrace
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
Williams is probably more about where he was drafted,
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Throbinhood
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
He’s a 3rd round pick that has played well at times and contributed. Not sure there is much more that is expected from a 3rd round pick.
No he’s not a pro-bowler but he’s serviceable which is fine for where he was drafted wouldn’t you say?


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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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So, he's stupid and doesn't like authority?


I wonder if he posts on the Rant?


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WhoDatTigahsTampa
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
PJ Williams is absolutely God-awful. For anyone who doesn't see that I have no words. Take the rose-colored glasses off.


Throbinhood
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
That’s a stretch. I said he’s serviceable, that’s not rose colored glasses. He’s a better in the slot than outside. He’s also an excellent tackler. He has had some poor games, specifically the game against the Vikings two years ago. At the same time, Saints probably don’t beat the Vikings last season without him. Saying he is “God-awful” is a bit of a hyperbole.


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Laaz2750
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
Apple had a rocky start but felt like he really solidified the side opposite Latt in a way we’d been missing. Wonder why they declined the option? I guess they want to see him fight for a contract?


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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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Apple had a rocky start but felt like he really solidified the side opposite Latt in a way we’d been missing. Wonder why they declined the option? I guess they want to see him fight for a contract?


We would have had to pay Apple 13 mil if the option was picked up because he was a top 10 pick. He was more than serviceable for us last season but definitely not worth that. The Saints will have the option to sign him for much less next off-season unless he becomes Patrick Peterson this season.


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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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Wonder why they declined the option? I guess they want to see him fight for a contract?


Had they picked up Apples option, his 5th year would be around $15 mil.

Why would they not decline it, when his value on the open market is borderline CB #2? Probably $6-8 million.

So is your question is why did the Saints decide not to pay Apple $15 mil when they could pay him $6?


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PJ Williams is absolutely God-awful. For anyone who doesn't see that I have no words. Take the rose-colored glasses off.


This dude doesn’t even know who PJ Williams is.
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Andynola
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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character concerns


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worried about him butting heads


Ask the Rams how having a DB with "character concerns" that flagrantly "butts heads" worked out for them


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Ryan3232
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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while P.J. Williams has been a disappointmen
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This just isn’t true.


I agree. Im done with that narrative. He’s had some awful games, but he was damn good the second half of the year and is a really good backup NFL DB.


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Brandincookem
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
lol how is he a disappointment wtf did y’all expect lol


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phutureisyic
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
While PJ wasn't a good man corner he certainly played very well in the NB slot.



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Weekend Warrior79
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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Had they picked up Apples option, his 5th year would be around $15 mil.


To put that in perspective. $15M would give him the 4th highest Cap hit for CBs. The $13M previously mentioned would give him the 10th highest cap hit.

Not the range you want your #2 guy at; especially when your #1 guy's contract will be coming up right around the corner.


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eddieray
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
2 yrs ago Payton said they were moving away from high risk guys and going with smart, high character types. Maybe he checked out ok


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Dennis4LSU
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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while P.J. Williams has been a disappointment This just isn’t true
No it really is true


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Laman1978
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re: Walter Football on why Chauncey Gardner Johnson slid to round 4
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This just isn’t true.
Yes, it is. PJ Williams was clearly our weakest link in defense. It's not even debatable.


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