re: Trading our 4 pick

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If we feel carr is a difference maker, you make the trade. You can't take the chance of losing him in FA.

Not saying carr is the difference maker...

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Isn't Carr just marginally better than Dalton over the past several years? I don't think he's the difference maker needed.

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The one thing I like about Carr is that he has thrived in a dysfunctional organization, under poor coaching, with a terrible supporting cast. We were dismal last year, but never came close to matching the dysfunction of the Raiders.

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All under some wild circumstance; franchise moving cities (to vegas of all places), coach getting canceled on you, interim coach, new coach, new gm's, first round WR's making terrible personal choices resulting in more distraction. On and on

Someone explain to me how Carr is better than Dalton especially if you have to pay Carr big money.

Career Stats-

Dalton - Gp- 166, PCT CMP - 62.5, Yds Game - 229, td- 244, Ints- 144, QB Rating - 87.6

Carr- GP- 142, PCT Cmp- 64.6, Yds Game- 248, Td- 217, Int- 99, QB Rating - 91.8

Like I said, Carr is marginally better than Dalton. We should take Carr if he renegotiates and its a decent price, but no way in Hell should the cap space strapped Saints pay Carr 40 million a year. There is not enough separation between him and Dalton to do that. Do yall disagree?

Dalton had Prime AJ Green and only put up those numbers. He is also a complete shell of himself at this point.

Carr's TD/INT stat line when adjusted to 166 games (at his current rates) would be 254 TD to 116 INT. FAR superior to Dalton.

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no way in Hell should the cap space strapped Saints pay Carr 40 million a year. There is not enough separation between him and Dalton to do that. Do yall disagree?

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I think the only way the Saints are getting Carr is if he agrees to some sort of restructure.

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would load up on rookie contracts and use the draft to find a QB in ‘24 but to each his own.

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This is the best way to go. When players get past rookie contracts they bust the team and they are never worth it.

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Carr choses where he goes. Why give the Raiders anything unless they restructure and absorb a significant amount of cap (which I doubt).

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IMO, this has to be the move. He did something similar with Houston when they traded for Roby and it forced the team to give up a higher pick. Asking LV to shoulder some of the restructure, when they will have a cap hit for cutting him anyway, and take a 4th is exactly something Loomis would do.

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I'm not nearly as worried about the 4th as I am about what his contract will look like. I would say it is obvious that a restructure or completely new contract is part of the deal, but I'm not sure I trust Mickey anymore with anything other than cap work.

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If we're planning a restructure or new contract, why trade for him at all? Just let him be cut and give him a new contract. He has a no trade clause, so if he wants the Saints he can just force the Raiders to cut him. The only reason we'd trade for him, IMO, is because Derek wants to keep his current contract. I think he's got 120 million coming over 3 years. That's probably more than he'd get as a FA.

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They will get a top 3-5 QB

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Give me Cousins, Prescott, Hurts, Smith, Murray, and Goff over Derek Carr just off the top of my head in no particular order from NFC QBs. Carr is mid at best. Personally, I like him as an individual. Pass on him as the starting QB for my team.