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re: Saints trading CGJ to eagles for 5th and 6th round picks.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
His "talent" was covered for by his teammates. I hope Bal has the same talent level on defense.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:40 pm to bonethug0180
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Loomis said you can literally outright keep kicking the can. They do it intentionally.
Yes but there are still present day effects (like the impacts Hill and Jenkins are having on our ability to retain young talent).
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We were never paying $14 mil for MW.
We'll pay 11M for Maye but not 14M for MW? I don't think those lines are as hard as you think.
We'll settle for Maye? That's the likely scenario.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:41 pm to bonethug0180
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Doesn't change the fact that MW has FAR more dead money.
Only if he's cut early
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He's a young budding star. He's in the ascending phase. You don't look for "outs" with quality talent. You do that with aging vets or players in decline.
You know what, Cinci is going to have to pay Burrow. SD and Herbert, too. Think they are thinking about those future deals in terms of "outs"? Hell no.
what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? You are trying to compartmentalize and chop up MW's contract to make your argument fly and several posters are telling you that it doesn't work that way... because it doesn't.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:42 pm to RB10
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William’s contract which has a cap hit of $18.7 mil and dead money of $6.7 mil when he’s 30, in the last year of the contract.
Which will possibly be a lower % of cap by then than TM's hit this year is in 2022. Cap's about to explode, and back-loading that deal is going to make it seem like peanuts.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Define "team friendly" deal for me, then.
One that you can get out of for a dead cap of $1.2 million after year 2, not $6.7 mil like Williams’ in year 5.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Which will possibly be a lower % of cap by then than TM's hit this year is in 2022. Cap's about to explode, and back-loading that deal is going to make it seem like peanuts.
So? The saints aren’t cutting Mathieu in years 1 or 2. There’s a decent chance the Ravens want to cut Williams in years 4 or 5 when he’s “aging” as you keep saying.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:45 pm to Vacherie Saint
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what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
He's referencing outs for a young, ascending player. It's not rational.
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You are trying to compartmentalize and chop up MW's contract to make your argument fly and several posters are telling you that it doesn't work that way..
No, I'm pointing out that this "team friendly" and "low cost" of their contracts is more myth than reality, because they were trying to use guaranteed money instead of cap hit.
MW's cap hit averages $14M over the life of his deal and it doesn't have any tricks like void years. That is a roughly general estimate of his cap cost. People in this thread (including you, I believe) keep saying MM/TM combined will be cheaper than MW. That is simply not true in terms of cap impact. Each of TM/MM is going to have a higher impact in year's 1-2, and that's the extent of their contracts so we can't judge anything else at this point.
Individually, MW is going to have a higher per-year cost over the life of his deal, but not compared to the per-year cost of TM and MM combined over their 2 year contracts.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We'll pay 11M for Maye but not 14M for MW? I don't think those lines are as hard as you think.
We'll settle for Maye? That's the likely scenario.
How many times do you have to be reminded that Maye is statistically on par with MW before you take off the Williams-colored glasses? How many times do you need to be reminded that MW is costing the Ravens a helluva lot more than 14MM per year?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:46 pm to RB10
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One that you can get out of for a dead cap of $1.2 million after year 2, not $6.7 mil like Williams’ in year 5.
This is an actual "what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?" post.
How is this relevant unless you assume Baltimore will want to cut MW soon?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He's referencing outs for a young, ascending player. It's not rational.
Wrong. I’m referencing the outs for a FS who’s going to be 30. You’ve said, more than once, that is past a players prime. Have you not?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:49 pm to RB10
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The saints aren’t cutting Mathieu in years 1 or 2.
Not in year 1 but after 2 is very possible. We're stuck with him for 2 years given the structure of his guarantees and the signing bonus.
Then we'll have to figure out if we're extending him (to avoid paying the 9M in base + RB) or cutting him. If we cut him we eat 5.7M in prorated SB.
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There’s a decent chance the Ravens want to cut Williams in years 4
Based on what?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is an actual "what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?" post.
How is this relevant unless you assume Baltimore will want to cut MW soon?
That’s the number if they want to cut his after year 4, when he’s heading into his final year of the contract at age 30.
Do you not understand how that correlates to the contracts of Maye and Mathieu being more team friendly? It’s like you’re being intentionally obtuse.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:50 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Maye is statistically on par with MW
Was.
Before suffering one of the worst injuries a football player can have. And we gave him market value without him proving he was 100%.
We don't know what Maye is in 2022. He could be another Jarius Byrd.
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How many times do you need to be reminded that MW is costing the Ravens a helluva lot more than 14MM per year?
He's not, though.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Based on what?
Just using your logic. Age 30 must be too old for every other safety, just not Marcus Williams.
My bad.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
MW's effective cap number is $14 mil per year.
MM's is $8.6 mil per year.
This is based on MW being cut before year 5, and MM being cut before year 3.
Some of Maye's contract is fluff compared to per year. None of MW's is.
That's a $5.4 mil per year difference for services.
MM's is $8.6 mil per year.
This is based on MW being cut before year 5, and MM being cut before year 3.
Some of Maye's contract is fluff compared to per year. None of MW's is.
That's a $5.4 mil per year difference for services.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:52 pm to RB10
Slow day at the office for some of y'all, huh?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:53 pm to RB10
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Do you not understand how that correlates to the contracts of Maye and Mathieu being more team friendly? I
We know the Saints have to make a decision on MM/TM because of the structure of their contracts.
We don't know if the Ravens will have to make a similar decision on MW. His contract is much more traditional and gives BAL plenty of flexibility on how they want to handle it. THAT is being team friendly.
We can't do anything with TM/MM other than cut or a direct restructure, which will create even more dead cap room. BAL can restructure MWs without any dead cap, theoretically.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:53 pm to bonethug0180
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MW's effective cap number is $14 mil.
MM's is $8.6 mil.
This is based on MW being cut before year 5, and MM being cut before year 3.
Some of Maye's contract is fluff compared to per year. None of MW's is.
That's a $5.4 mil difference for services.
Now do TMs and add that together with MM and show me how we're getting both of them for less than MWs cap impact.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:54 pm to saints5021
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writing was on the wall when he was in trade talks with the Texans. Can't sign them all and he was always going to be a difficult player to get a true value for.
I am going to miss him.
100% truth for anyone being honest about the situation.
doubtful they could keep him with the money he would want for a new contract and at least this way we get good value for a player who was going to be gone after his contract ran out any way
many here will cry about losing him, but the team did pretty good here dealing this guy for decent value in draft picks
i too loved his energy and he seemed to make guys around him better by feeding off of his energy, he will be missed, and the defense is slightly less good without him
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 2:56 pm
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