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re: Saints trading CGJ to eagles for 5th and 6th round picks.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I never claimed that. But you are claiming having MW would be better.
It's better to have 2 good players for slightly more than 1 good player.
It's better to have 2 good players for slightly more than 1 good player.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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People in this thread (including you, I believe) keep saying MM/TM combined will be cheaper than MW. That is simply not true in terms of cap impact.
No one is saying that. We are saying that MM+TM7 are cheaper than MW+whoever the frick we'd have to desperately sign to play along side him. And you are comparing the first 2 years of a long term, backloaded MW contract to a pair of 3 year deals. Its not a fair comparison, but you know that already.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We don't know if the Ravens will have to make a similar decision on MW. His contract is much more traditional and gives BAL plenty of flexibility on how they want to handle it. THAT is being team friendly.
There’s nothing team friendly about Williams’. Literally, nothing.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:58 pm to bonethug0180
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I never claimed that.
Others in this thread did, sorry.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He's not, though.
His yearly cash is 16MM through those first 2 seasons you keep harping about and hes guaranteed 32MM.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
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People in this thread (including you, I believe) keep saying MM/TM combined will be cheaper than MW. That is simply not true in terms of cap impact.
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No one is saying that.
Did that "fraction" referenced imply over 100%?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:02 pm to RB10
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There’s nothing team friendly about Williams’. Literally, nothing.
You have not defined in any objective way what "team friendly" means, so you can theoretically say it means whatever you want for whichever contract you want.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
no one is comparing the combined salaries of MM and TM to MW and a fricking ghost.
We are putting 2 safeties on the field. stop with this.
BTW, you claimed that MW+TM would have been cheaper than MM+TM didnt you? LOL
We are putting 2 safeties on the field. stop with this.
BTW, you claimed that MW+TM would have been cheaper than MM+TM didnt you? LOL
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:05 pm to Vacherie Saint
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His yearly cash is 16MM through those first 2 seasons
What does this have to do with cap management? That's just the checks the owner has to write. We know this all too well.
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and hes guaranteed 32MM
What does this have to do with cap management?
The parts that will be adjusted for the cap will be all the non-guaranteed money.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
I said he was "costing the ravens more than 14MM per year".
and he is. stop putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about cap hit.
and he is. stop putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about cap hit.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You have not defined in any objective way what "team friendly" means, so you can theoretically say it means whatever you want for whichever contract you want.
What exactly would you call a 3 year contract that has an out after year 2 that costs $0 in cap and $0 in dead money?
Logical people call that team friendly.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:08 pm to Vacherie Saint
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no one is comparing the combined salaries of MM and TM to MW and a fricking ghost.
That's not what the replies were in response to. That's an evolution of the argument after the fact.
Also, assuming no CGJ or Jenkins, AND ignoring the true focus of my posts in this thread (cap mismanagement), there would still be millions to use next to MW's 14M/year hit and the combined cap hits of TM/MM to sign a SS.
I mean shite if we're writing off what we were willing to give CGJ and cap mismanagement, generally, then the only analysis with CGJ would be the difference in cost between what he wanted and what we offered, which, when combined with MW, would be less than TM/MM
MW + CGJ difference < TM/MM
That is probably too abstract for this board, though
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:09 pm to RB10
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What exactly would you call a 3 year contract that has an out after year 2 that costs $0 in cap and $0 in dead money?
One that doesn't apply to the contract of TM or MM
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:13 pm to tigersquad89
The front office lost me on this one
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
You aren’t going to find a single person who disagrees with the sentiment that extensions likes Brees’, Hill’s, Peat’s etc. weren’t terrible decisions. You’re literally arguing against no one.
Where you’ve gone off the rails is making statements about how poor the signings of Mathieu and Maye were. Given the fact that we can’t go back and undo those previously mentioned terrible decisions, those two are excellent value signings.
Again, given the fact that we can’t undo those signings, we were never signing Marcus Williams. Not unless they wanted to handcuff themselves even more.
For the third time, given the fact we can’t undo those signings, CGJ was never getting the bag he wanted from the Saints.
So,to reiterate, given the cap situation the Saints are in (and not the imaginary one you’re operating under where they don’t sign players that are already under contract) letting Williams and CGJ go, but replacing them with Maye and Mathieu, and for cheaper deals overall, is a win.
Where you’ve gone off the rails is making statements about how poor the signings of Mathieu and Maye were. Given the fact that we can’t go back and undo those previously mentioned terrible decisions, those two are excellent value signings.
Again, given the fact that we can’t undo those signings, we were never signing Marcus Williams. Not unless they wanted to handcuff themselves even more.
For the third time, given the fact we can’t undo those signings, CGJ was never getting the bag he wanted from the Saints.
So,to reiterate, given the cap situation the Saints are in (and not the imaginary one you’re operating under where they don’t sign players that are already under contract) letting Williams and CGJ go, but replacing them with Maye and Mathieu, and for cheaper deals overall, is a win.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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One that doesn't apply to the contract of TM or MM
It quite literally does with Mathieu. Potential out prior to 2024 with $0 penalty because only his first two years are guaranteed.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:18 pm to RB10
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Again, given the fact that we can’t undo those signings, we were never signing Marcus Williams.
Exactly why I said these burdens are why we lost Marcus Williams AND CGJ. I don't think we would ever be able to keep both, but because of cap mismanagement, we kept neither. We got a comp pick for MW (and fricked it up by signing Dalton) and about 0 value for CGJ (again, b/c we fricked it up by waiting too long and getting emotional about his behavior).
That has been my whole primary argument in this thread.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:20 pm to RB10
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It quite literally does with Mathieu. Potential out prior to 2024 with $0 penalty because only his first two years are guaranteed.
Dude, we have $3.8M in dead cap on his deal from the 2 void years no matter what happens. So that alone invalidates your argument.
Secondly, there is another $1.9M of the signing bonus in limbo that can pro-rate if we cut him after year 2
Our dead cap hits from TM's contract are between $3.8-5.7M.
Same thing with MM's contract, but an annual proration of 1.2M, so 2.4-3.6M in dead cap.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That has been my whole primary argument in this thread.
People took issue because you tried to act like Mathieu and Maye were terrible signings. Under the circumstances, they were both excellent signings.
You spent several pages trying to claim a 3x All-Pro, including 2019 and 2020, was somehow a mediocre player. That was……special.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 3:24 pm to RB10
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You spent several pages trying to claim a 3x All-Pro, including 2019 and 2020, was somehow a mediocre player. That was……special.
No I said he's declining and we don't know if CGJ or TM will be better players/value over the next 3-5 years.
I said Malcolm Jenkins was mediocre and Taysom Hill was bad
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