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re: Saints trading CGJ to eagles for 5th and 6th round picks.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They're effectively 2 year deals. TM has a roster bonus of $2M in year 3 that I imagine is a poison pill. Plus his cap # blows up to almost $11M.
I imagine Maye will be cut after year 2 (if he sucks) or we will restructure after this year if he pans out.
You are supposing a whole lot of shite to make your argument work.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Did you know that each will have a higher cap impact over those 2 years than MW over the same time period?
I like how you combine the two salaries for extra umph
The cap% on either guy will not even crack the top 10 hits on our team for any season once we start inking these other cats. The cap just jumped $26 mil and will continue to climb over the course of those deals. They will be way down the list of any future cap issues.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
A $2 mil roster bonus and an $11 mil hit isn't poisoning anything. That is a natural restructure point.
If he hasn't lived up to expectations he's an easy cut (no more guarantees; nothing to do with a small roster bonus).
If he plays well enough and accepts an extension within our value for him, the base salary and roster bonus are easy conversions into a new signing bonus to make his cap hit cheaper for that year and the next year or 2 after.
If he plays well and wants too much, we cut him.
If he hasn't lived up to expectations he's an easy cut (no more guarantees; nothing to do with a small roster bonus).
If he plays well enough and accepts an extension within our value for him, the base salary and roster bonus are easy conversions into a new signing bonus to make his cap hit cheaper for that year and the next year or 2 after.
If he plays well and wants too much, we cut him.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:26 pm to GynoSandberg
No No NO! If you pretend that we singed TM to a 2 year deal, then assume he's too old to be good anymore, then assume Maye suddenly forgets how to play football, and pretend the Hill and Jenkins contracts arent sunk, then its clear we should have paid MW
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:29 pm to Vacherie Saint
frick MW. Not worth what he got paid. Better than what many fans thought he was, but not a top safety.
Our scheme and other players hid him a lot. If you actually watch him each play he goes the wrong way a lot, is almost always late crashing down on runs, and can't cover 1 v 1 for shite.
What he can do well is play centerfield and guess right half the time. The other half cost us many plays.
Our scheme and other players hid him a lot. If you actually watch him each play he goes the wrong way a lot, is almost always late crashing down on runs, and can't cover 1 v 1 for shite.
What he can do well is play centerfield and guess right half the time. The other half cost us many plays.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:30 pm to RB10
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I.e team friendly deals.
That’s exactly what everyone has been trying to tell you.
Again, MW's deal is even more team friendly in years 1-2.
What's so difficult to understand about that?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
Because years 3 and 4 aren't so friendly.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:33 pm to GynoSandberg
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I like how you combine the two salaries for extra umph
No. I said each will have higher cap impact the next 2 years. Not together. Individually.
TM has 12.3M in direct cap hit and 3.8M in dead money
MM has 11.24 in direct cap hit and 2.4M in dead money
MW has 11.8M in direct cap hit and no dead money
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The cap just jumped $26 mil and will continue to climb over the course of those deals.
This is a better argument for Williams' contract that has more money, later.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Again, MW's deal is even more team friendly in years 1-2.
What's so difficult to understand about that?
His deal isn’t 2 years, so what’s your point?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:34 pm to bonethug0180
MW contract
Year 3 they would lose cap if they cut him.
Year 4 they can save $5.3 mil but have $13.4 mil dead money.
Since you like to harp on dead money, that is a pretty unacceptable amount.
He basically can't be cut until his last year without costing cap or double digit dead money.
Both MM and HB are FAR less and easier to get out of.
Year 3 they would lose cap if they cut him.
Year 4 they can save $5.3 mil but have $13.4 mil dead money.
Since you like to harp on dead money, that is a pretty unacceptable amount.
He basically can't be cut until his last year without costing cap or double digit dead money.
Both MM and HB are FAR less and easier to get out of.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What's so difficult to understand about that?
Because its irrelevant. The Ravens dont have an out until 2025 and you are only cherry picking 2 years because MW's money balloons like crazy in year 3. No one in the scenarios discussed have a 2 year contract.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:35 pm to bonethug0180
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A $2 mil roster bonus and an $11 mil hit isn't poisoning anything. That is a natural restructure point.
That's what I said...
But the issue with that is (a) his age and (b) the increase in potential dead cap + signing bonus proration, as I said before.
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nothing to do with a small roster bonus
What % chance do you think him receiving that roster bonus is? Higher than 3-5?
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make his cap hit cheaper for that year and the next year or 2 after.
Well yeah. We will kick that can down the road or cut him. This has been my whole argument about fixing cap problems by creating more in the fugure.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:36 pm to tigersquad89
We got screwed. We gave him away.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:37 pm to bonethug0180
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Since you like to harp on dead money, that is a pretty unacceptable amount.
When I use "dead money" when describing MM and TM's deals, I'm talking about future dead money that already exists and can't be changed. We used 2 void years on both deals, so the signing bonus proration for those 4 years are already "dead". If we cut them, there will be more dead money for the other proration.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Loomis said you can literally outright keep kicking the can. They do it intentionally.
Only time it really bit them was Junior Galette and that was unplanned.
Everything else we have a plan for and if we want to make room for someone we do.
But at the same time we aren't going to overpay when we feel like it is, although I do agree the Hill contract was stupid. But that has cost us no one. We were never paying $14 mil for MW.
Only time it really bit them was Junior Galette and that was unplanned.
Everything else we have a plan for and if we want to make room for someone we do.
But at the same time we aren't going to overpay when we feel like it is, although I do agree the Hill contract was stupid. But that has cost us no one. We were never paying $14 mil for MW.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:38 pm to RB10
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His deal isn’t 2 years, so what’s your point?
Define "team friendly" deal for me, then.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This has been my whole argument about fixing cap problems by creating more in the fugure.
On what planet does signing MW to the exact same deal he got with Baltimore not do exactly that?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Doesn't change the fact that MW has FAR more dead money.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:39 pm to Vacherie Saint
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The Ravens dont have an out until 2025
He's a young budding star. He's in the ascending phase. You don't look for "outs" with quality talent. You do that with aging vets or players in decline.
You know what, Cinci is going to have to pay Burrow. SD and Herbert, too. Think they are thinking about those future deals in terms of "outs"? Hell no.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:39 pm to bonethug0180
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Again, MW's deal is even more team friendly in years 1-2. What's so difficult to understand about that?
He’s currently bitching about Maye and Mathieu’s cap hits at their age while also advocating for William’s contract which has a cap hit of $18.7 mil and dead money of $6.7 mil when he’s 30, in the last year of the contract.
Dude has gone off the rails.
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