re: regret drafting reggie?

Reggie did improve last year and showed flashes of greatness as a running back (Denver (18 rushes-73yards-4.1ypc-1TD) and Atlanta the second time (10 rushes-80yards-8ypc including that 43 yard run up the middle)). He looked like he was making better decisions when he had the football than previous years, he didn't run backwards to avoid tacklers as much or make ill advised pitches. He also looked faster in 2008 than in 2007 IMO

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The Texans asked the Jets if they wanted to trade up and Jets declined.

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they declined the asking price

if the saints/texans had said, "give us the #4 and a 3rd" i bet the jets take that deal

Weren't the Saints asking for both of the Jets first rounders (#4 and #29 I think was the other one)?

saintards, consider the following:

reggie bush - 2nd overall pick. career numbers through 3 seasons:
1550 rushing yards, 12 TD, 11 fumbles
1599 receiving yards, 8 TD

matt forte - 2nd round pick. rookie season numbers;
1238 rushing yards, 8 TD, 1 fumble
477 receiving yards, 4 TD

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just look at the pats

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are you seriously comparing the new england market to south louisiana?

thats hysterical!



the saints sold out the entire 06 season after a horrible 05 season..it had NOTHING to do with wins and losses and everything to do with off the field excitement

the corporate sponsors can give a frick less how many games they win. i work in community relations for one of the largest sponsors of the saints....wins and losses have NEVER came up from a business standpoint in any of our meetings.

attendance has though...and the saints have proven to be different than other teams in the league since their inception that wins and losses are not as big of a contributing factor for the saints as it is for other teams

the pats weren't and haven't been rumored to be leaving their city, the pats owner wasn't flirting with other cities in attempts to move his team etc etc etc

the saints aren't the cardinals, the rams or the pats..they are like the raiders & bills. the attendance at games isn't as influenced by w's and l's as it is for other teams

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To a devastated city just returning would have been excitied. Adding Brees ans winning some games would have been enough.

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the season sold out AFTER drafting bush, before they won a game

it was also the busiest draft party out at the saints facility since they started doing it

obviously brees created excitement and winning did as well, but to say drafting bush didn't give the saints national attention (being #2 in jersey sales, national commercials etc) is retarded...but this is TD, its kinda expected

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Losing, especially in a smaller, somewhat shaky market is what you can not afford.

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the saints have proven the exact opposite since the 60's

are you just ignoring history or do you realize it, but just don't want to admit it?

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There is NO frickING WAY, Taglibue would have let the team move so soon after Katrina.

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i never said they would have moved in 05

i said they would have been moved by now

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WINNING sells tickets,

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no.the.frick.it.doesn't! not in new orleans....it never has!

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by your own admission drafting some one else might have meant more wins.

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yes, and i said it then too

BUT the saints are more dependent on fan excitement and the average saints fan doesn't care as much about w's and l's as they do with other franchises...and history proves it.

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They still had Brees and Duece, you are delusional if you think Bush is the difference between sell outs in 2006 and a half empty Dome.

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who said anything about a half empty dome?

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bush didn't give the saints national attention (being #2 in jersey sales, national commercials etc) is retarded...

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I didn't say they didn't get national attention, I said it doesn't matter, which it does not, the revenue from mdse sales and tv is shared by all 32 teams.

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the saints have proven the exact opposite since the 60's

are you just ignoring history or do you realize it, but just don't want to admit it?

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I don't understand your point here. You said Bush help sell tickets and without that they team would not have survived in NOLA, now you are saying the teams sells tickets even when they are bad, you are contradicting yourself.

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i never said they would have moved in 05

i said they would have been moved by now

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I never said anything about moving in 2005, they didn't even get Bush until 2006, I said they would never have let the team move so SOON AFTER Katrina, IOW, so soon after 2005. They have only played 3 season since, that would constitute soon after. Reggie Bush is not adding 20,000 ticket sales, sorry, he is not. The team has been good, it would about the same with out him and they sould be selling tickets.

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no.the.frick.it.doesn't! not in new orleans....it never has!

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This is just plain false, but if it was true, then they wouldn't have need Bush to sell tickets.
Teams still have fans, sell tickets etc when they suck, they just sell more when they win, its true for even the Saints. I'm from NOLA, when they were bad, they often didn't sell out and home games were blacked out, when they good, they did and home games were on TV.

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BUT the saints are more dependent on fan excitement and the average saints fan doesn't care as much about w's and l's as they do with other franchises...and history proves it

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The Saints, like most other teams, sell out more when they are good.

He's not a bust, but he is a disappointment and not worth the #2 pick and salary. We have been waiting for him to break out since after his rookie year.

Remember how good everyone thought the top of that draft was?

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LSUfan4444

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A very accurate assessment IMHO.