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re: Rattler = THE FUTURE
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:55 pm to Handsome Pete
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:55 pm to Handsome Pete
Wasn't Rattler like the #1 or #2 coming out of high school in Phoenix?
He goes to Oklahoma, sits and learns for a year, and they get Caleb Williams.
No wonder he transferred. South Carolina ain't really the place to build recognition. Lincoln Riley bolts OK and Caleb follows. Too bad Spencer couldn't have known and stayed put. Either way he winds up with yet another coaching staff.
Give the kid time in one system and let him settle and we will see a future star player.
Haener already has time in the system Kubiak runs while at Fresno.
My vote Rattler. He has the "it" factor that doesn't come from coaching.
He goes to Oklahoma, sits and learns for a year, and they get Caleb Williams.
No wonder he transferred. South Carolina ain't really the place to build recognition. Lincoln Riley bolts OK and Caleb follows. Too bad Spencer couldn't have known and stayed put. Either way he winds up with yet another coaching staff.
Give the kid time in one system and let him settle and we will see a future star player.
Haener already has time in the system Kubiak runs while at Fresno.
My vote Rattler. He has the "it" factor that doesn't come from coaching.
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Posted on 8/25/24 at 9:21 pm to Chadzilla
quote:I agree, and I think a lot of NFL GMs overreacted to the 2021 situation WAY TOO MUCH.
IS Rattler the future? We won't know for a couple seasons but his talent is undeniable. He was the #1 ranked QB recruit coming out of high school. He was a heisman favorite before the 2021 season, which obviously didn't turn out in his favor and is part of the reason why we got him in the 5th round.
Yes, Rattler did enter the 2021 season as a Heisman favorite, after being All Conference his freshman season.
Yes, Lincoln Riley chose to replace him as the starting QB. That normally is a death blow to being drafted...
Let's look at what actually happened, though.
1) it wasn't just anyone who jumped him, it was Caleb Williams, who was the next season's #1 QB recruit, with potentially a higher upside.
2) They alternated a bit early on, giving Williams a few drives every game. They made the switch permanent after the Texas game, where Williams led a big comeback. They didn't give Rattler much the rest of the year, even though Williams had some bad games and some losses.
3) overall stats for the two were pretty close, not a huge disparity. And this with Rattler likely feeling he had to be perfect to keep his spot, making him either tentative or push too many risks.
4) Williams turned out to be pretty decent, winning the Heisman the next year and then becoming the #1 overall draft pick. So it's not like Rattler was bad, per se- he just had the one guy nobody would beat out, pop up on his team. Rattler could have been the second best QB in college, and he'd still have got benched. The other QBs taken in the first round: Mayes, McCarthy, Nix, Penix, even Daniels most likely- they would all have been benched in favor of Williams.
Yet, they were all taken in the first round.
I'm not saying Rattler was definitely a 1st round pick, but odds are, if Williams hadn't gone to Oklahoma he would have been.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 9:24 pm to Handsome Pete
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What worries me: if Carr sucks so much that Rattler eventually has to take over, almost certainly DA gets fired and a whole new offensive staff comes in. Who's to say that staff would want to stake their jobs on Rattler as opposed to a 1st round pick or another vet?
Y’all trip me out with these idiotic statements. The last quarter of the season, Carr was the number one qb in the league. First in the entire league. You think he’s that bad he’s just going to get benched all of a sudden? For a rookie 5th rounder ?
He’s going to stay in unless he gets hurt. Rattler has potential, but he needs to sit and develop two years. Saints need to keep building up the oline and add another legit receiver during this time.
DA is ridin or dyin with Carr this year and he’s likely the qb next year even if Allen is gone.
This post was edited on 8/25/24 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 8/25/24 at 10:17 pm to Scoob
I'd Rather Rattler over williams any day. Williams is not a leader. When Tulane bust their arse in the bowl game. Williams response was "We didn't want to be there". Yeah ok. Riley's system is not pro style oriented. This is why Rattler's transfer to the SEC where Beamer is more pro style. It is the main reason he is in and out of huddles so quick. I also noticed he go through the progressions way better than Haener and Carr. Haener gets to the third look and if it isn't there takes off. Carr stares down his first receiver and that's it. Rattler goes through all progressions much like Brees. If it isn't there he moves to see if something opens up and if not takes off.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 10:47 pm to matty3387
2 stat lines:
24/43, 270 yds, 74.8 rating, 0 TD, 1 time sacked
20/38, 202 yds, 76.9 rating, 1 TD, 3 times sacked
Now, the TD gives away who is who, but just in case you didn't know, Haener is the top and Rattler the bottom.
Statistically speaking, this is a case of 6 versus half a dozen, yet some of y'all are ready to name Rattler the starting QB. No such love for Haener.
My point is to take some advice from Bill Parcells: "Let's put the anointing oil away." Right now, they are the same player. Rattler looks to have a higher upside, but that's for sometime down the road. Not this season.
24/43, 270 yds, 74.8 rating, 0 TD, 1 time sacked
20/38, 202 yds, 76.9 rating, 1 TD, 3 times sacked
Now, the TD gives away who is who, but just in case you didn't know, Haener is the top and Rattler the bottom.
Statistically speaking, this is a case of 6 versus half a dozen, yet some of y'all are ready to name Rattler the starting QB. No such love for Haener.
My point is to take some advice from Bill Parcells: "Let's put the anointing oil away." Right now, they are the same player. Rattler looks to have a higher upside, but that's for sometime down the road. Not this season.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:54 pm to bstaceyau19
quote:Here's another relevant stat-
2 stat lines:
24/43, 270 yds, 74.8 rating, 0 TD, 1 time sacked
20/38, 202 yds, 76.9 rating, 1 TD, 3 times sacked
Now, the TD gives away who is who, but just in case you didn't know, Haener is the top and Rattler the bottom.
Statistically speaking, this is a case of 6 versus half a dozen, yet some of y'all are ready to name Rattler the starting QB. No such love for Haener.
Haener in his second camp with the Saints, having spent an entire season practicing with the team, and entering this year as the defacto #2 (we didn't bring in an experienced backup this year). He probably knows AT Perry very well, as that is likely the dude he's been targeting in practice the past year.
Rattler with about a month of preseason camp and 3 preseason games, in a new city/home, without a single guy he's played with before.
It should not be close, there should be clear separation. Forget the numbers, Haener should be running the offense more smoothly, controlling the huddle better, running through progressions and reading the defense better than Rattler right now, just from where both are in terms of their NFL careers.
Rattler has already caught him. The learning curve is faster.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:18 am to bstaceyau19
If you watched the game you know the stat line does not tell the story. Rattler would’ve had double the yards had the receivers not dropped passes that hit them
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:38 am to BlacknGold
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If you watched the game you know the stat line does not tell the story. Rattler would’ve had double the yards had the receivers not dropped passes that hit them
Haener had guys drop balls too.
Rattler looks prettier when he throws the ball, but his actual results are no different than Haener. If Rattler wins the backup job, I can get behind that but they are really equal at this point.
The people here who think he is better than Carr are nuts.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 3:31 am to bstaceyau19
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The people here who think he is better than Carr are nuts.
Ive realized our fans are kinda stupid lol it is what it is
Posted on 8/26/24 at 9:26 am to GynoSandberg
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One of the most perplexing things on draft weekend was the gap between Bo Nix as QB6 at No. 12 and Spencer Rattler as QB7 at No. 150 in the 5th round.
The selection of Bo Nix will always be perplexing to me. You could see his body of work college and easily pass on him.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 9:29 am to bstaceyau19
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Rattler looks prettier when he throws the ball, but his actual results are no different than Haener. If Rattler wins the backup job, I can get behind that but they are really equal at this point.
This is where I'm at too. It's hard to judge just based on preseason. It's during the actual season games when you find who can read the defenses and make the best adjustments.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:06 am to Believer504
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Some people on this board thinks Haener looks better lol
Probably the same people that started these exact same threads around this time last year when Haener was showing up against 3rd stringers and guys about to go work at car dealerships, sell insurance...
Not saying Rattler cannot be the future, just pumping the brakes a bit until he faces actual NFL starting competition.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:24 am to BlacknGold
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He will be the starter next year
Maybe midway through next year...but the decision to keep Carr next year has already been made and the money already spent.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:24 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:52 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:56 pm to Jay31
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Rattler = THE FUTURE
Chances are we will get to see this earlier than thought.
This offensive line will get Carr hurt at some point this season. I'd bet a sizeable amount that Carr misses 4-6 games
Posted on 8/28/24 at 9:14 pm to Jay31
Just wanted to say I told you guys on draft night when you got him you were gonna like him
my post
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Y'all are gonna like rattler, I too was skeptical when he came to SC but dude is a sponge and much more mature than he was in that Netflix show. He is a gunslinger like favre so take the great throws he makes with the bad forces trying to make a play with his arm. If he gets protection we've seen what he can do, just look at his time at OU before Riley knew he was taking the USC job and had to get Williams ready.
my post
Posted on 8/28/24 at 9:24 pm to Antib551
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When are referring to exactly? Sure he's had some spats over money. You have to go back to the 5yr/100M contract in 2012 to be at 20M/yr. Every contract since then had been 25M+.
Brees played hardball on that 1st extension and we had to franchise him. Cost us Carl Nix who we couldn’t use tag on to Tampa. Probably cost the Saints another Super Bowl…all for Brees greed.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:41 am to Jay31
Rattler on a 4yr/$4m contract
Imagine if we had spent the $125m we are paying Carr for the next 3 yrs on an A-list O-line?
Would we have more or less wins over the next 3 yrs?
Imagine if we had spent the $125m we are paying Carr for the next 3 yrs on an A-list O-line?
Would we have more or less wins over the next 3 yrs?
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:49 am to GynoSandberg
I didn't realize the gap between qb 6 1.12 and qb 7 at 5.150. That's wild.
So many gms are going to be kicking themselves for passing on rattler in round 4.
I still can't believe Payton wasted a 4th on Ian book.
So many gms are going to be kicking themselves for passing on rattler in round 4.
I still can't believe Payton wasted a 4th on Ian book.
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