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re: If it had to be one or the other: trade up for Cam Ward, or draft Dart at 9?

Posted on 3/26/25 at 5:48 pm to
Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 5:48 pm to
Like Kirk, I’m going to reprogram this simulation Kobayashi Maru style and choose neither.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 5:48 pm to
No argument here.
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 5:55 pm to
Dart is the more sensible option. Rather than give assets to move up.
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:24 pm to
i am actually warming to the idea of going up to get him. they have to do something. you've got carr this year where he can sit and learn in theory but let's be honest, he'll play if/when carr would get hurt. if you think he's your guy moore should get him. he'll either be a 20 year coach here or fired after 3 if it blows up.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:30 pm to
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i am actually warming to the idea of going up to get him. they have to do something


Kinda where I’m at. Would definitely be excited if they did it. At least you’re taking a crack at the most important position in sports.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:33 pm to
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People can argue until they are blue in the face about Cam Ward's physical measurables & abilities but as far as the character intangibles that it takes to be a successful QB in the NFL, he checks every box.


Hell yeah. Honestly that reminds me a lot of hurts. Hurts was obviously higher rated coming out but man that guy couldn’t throw at all early on. The improvements he made year over year towards the end of college and early nfl career were truly impressive.
Posted by Jojodaddy
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:36 pm to
C) Sell the franchise
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:35 pm to
Draft Dart easily no one in this QB class is worth trading up for.
Posted by moock blackjack
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:47 pm to
Calling it now Cam Ward will be a bust
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 10:32 pm to
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Better lose a lot of games this year then.


Good thing we have Rattler and Haener

This isn’t a one year rebuild. We’re not close to contender status… and gave Derek Carr his big money for 25.

So we can’t compare Ward and Dart to just each other. We have to compare them to all options. The future at QB might be one of them two. It might be Arch. It might be someone currently in the league
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 10:42 pm
Posted by Turftoe
Denver
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 10:52 pm to
Fletch is ready to put the Ricky trade to shame

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Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:02 pm to
I’ll never understand why this franchise and its fans are so fixated on “trading up”.

This may be, on balance, the absolute worst draft in modern history at the top.

Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:09 pm to
Dart at 9 all day because that means I still have my 2nd this year and 1st next year. If You traded up for Ward you wouldn’t.
Posted by tigerbait0303
Covington
Member since Feb 2006
570 posts
Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:19 pm to
I could warm up to Carr, this years and next years first, and maybe a 3rd rounder. They aren’t getting 3 #1s for Cam Ward. If three 1st round picks is what it’s going to cost to play poker please walk away Mickey.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:04 am to
Lots of absolutely retarded comments in here.


I’d prefer staying at 9 but I just don’t believe Dart is this years Bo Nix like others are propping him up. If Moore likes Ward enough to convince Loomis to move that much for him, then I’m in. Take a swing. If it misses, we clean house which is what the majority of us want anyway. If it works out, you have your CJ Stroud and a future with a good QB and an offensive minded HC. If you’re not trying to get a QB and pair him with a good offensive minded staff, then you’re not really trying IMO. I get the roster has holes. But if you take 2-3 years to try and build the roster while waiting for a QB, you either miss on the players anyway and suck and have to start the process all over again or you draft really good ones and have to trade up for a guy anyway because your roster carries you to 7-8 wins every year. Take the shot
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 12:05 am
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:26 am to
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I have serious doubts about Ward being a future top tier (basically top ten) QB in the NFL over the course of the next decade. I admit my limited occasions to watch Ward play, and it is not like I am saying he is terrible or has no chance. But if I had to bet, I would bet that Ward does not meet this standard. Therefore, I would not trade the necessary assets to get him.


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Ward is a big-game hunter at the quarterback position who is always looking to challenge the intermediate and vertical areas of the field. His unorthodox release remind me of a mix of watching Philip Rivers and Jordan Love, but there's no denying how fast the ball gets out of his hands. This makes him a weapon in specific areas of the field on specific throw types that mesh well with his motion and release. Ball placement can wane, specifically on the vertical plane, but these are areas that can improve as NFL coaches work to marry his footwork and upper-body mechanics. Ward is an incredibly exciting prospect with a new-age game that can translate to the current NFL.


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Accolades

Career: Holds record for combined FCS (71) and FBS (87) passing touchdowns with 158

2024 (at Miami): Davey O'Brien Award winner (best college QB)

2024 (at Miami): Manning Award winner (best college QB)

2024 (at Miami): ACC Offensive Player of the Year

2024 (at Miami): Heisman Trophy finalist (best player in FBS)

2024 (at Miami): Led FBS with 39 pass TD last season (school record)

2021 (at Incarnate Word): SLC Offensive Player of the Year

2020 (at Incarnate Word): Jerry Rice Award (best FCS freshman)




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Strengths

The defining trait for me when it comes to how I project Ward's game translating to the next level is his ability to change touch, trajectory and pace in the red zone. He can "drop it in the bucket," even to the field side.

Ward has the seamless ability to change the tempo of his throws (not everything is the same speed and trajectory). This becomes very important at the NFL level due to the speed and length of defenses. He can challenge tight windows.

Ward has excellent improvisational skills. Multiple times throughout any All-22 cut-up you watch of Ward, you'll see the play-side route combo foiled by the defensive coordinator and Ward still finding a solution. W

Ward works through progressions and will not be forced to transition to a predominantly half-field read offense in Year 1.

Ward is creative with his eyes when forced to break the pocket. This one is a big one. When you watch young NFL quarterbacks struggling, a lot of the time you'll see their eyes drop when they break the pocket. Ward is always hunting for a solution with his arm when the pass protection breaks down. Throughout his tape, you'll find so many examples of him finding solutions on the move.

Ward has an effortless release. It's quick and efficient, and he doesn't get the ball batted down at the line of scrimmage often.

Ward's ball placement can be erratic, but on his best throws, he places the ball in a position for the receiver to maximize his yards after the catch.

Ward can make all the throws to all three levels of the field.

Velocity is not an issue for Ward, including when he is forced to throw off-platform. He doesn't need to have a balanced base to get the ball to his intended target.

He already shows signs of anticipatory throwing that can translate to the next level against zone coverage.




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Concerns

Not the ideal frame for a quarterback (6-foot-1 ? and 219 pounds), though it shouldn't hold him back.

Ward's ball placement wanes on the vertical plane -- he misses throws in the deep half even at times when throwing from a balanced base and clean pocket.

Major splits for Ward when it came to his PFF grade against pressure (56.5) and with no pressure (94.1)

Ward's footwork can improve both in terms of pocket movement but also when delivering the football.

Ward will sometimes look to escape and take liberties that won't be available in the NFL (he'll run into sacks).




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Bottom line

What stood out more than anything on Ward's tape was that he answered more big moments with a solution than any quarterback I watched in the entire class. Often times, Ward would make something out of nothing -- or worse -- out of a bad situation. 

Below, I'll attach a play from the Virginia Tech game on the comeback drive. The Miami defense failed Ward often and he still brought them back. Ward will take his lumps at the next level and need to improve his footwork, how he handles pressure and his ball placement on the vertical plane. At the same time, he should immediately be a playmaker at the NFL level in the intermediate areas of the field both inside and outside the numbers.




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Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:31 am to
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Calling it now Cam Ward will be a bust


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Posted by VOR
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:23 am to
Given these two options, draft Dart everytime.
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:28 am to
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HC. If you’re not trying to get a QB and pair him with a good offensive minded staff, then you’re not really trying IMO. I get the roster has holes. But if you take 2-3 years to try and build the roster while waiting for a QB, you either miss on the players anyway and suck and have to start the process all over again or you draft really good ones and have to trade up for a guy anyway because your roster carries you to 7-8 wins every year. Take the shot


Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
160391 posts
Posted on 3/28/25 at 10:17 am to
ward isn't the type of prospect you make a godfather offer on.

Ward can make you think he's legit one play and then the next go full retard. He got away with A LOT of shite that won't happen at the next level. Plus he's started a lot of games and still seems to struggle with reads. I think he'd go behind all of last year's QBs. Personally, I would have probably ranked him over Nix, but I don't think the draft goes any differently because Nix is more of a SP QB

I don't think either will end up top end starters but if those are my options I guess I'll go with Dart and not give up assets
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 10:28 am
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