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Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:30 am to SirWinston
It’s not arbitrary 
We suck. We are not relevant. We won’t be relevant for the foreseeable future. How do you not get that?
We suck. We are not relevant. We won’t be relevant for the foreseeable future. How do you not get that?
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:50 am to High Life
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It will go down as the worst decision in franchise history
You must be new here.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:02 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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think Carr is somewhat better than number 20
The heavy hitters surveyed for Carr’s ranking know a bit more than you. 20 is about right and when you factor in his contract, the Saints are probably in bottom 5 worst QB situation.
This will stunt Rattler’s growth and we’re contract committed through next 2 seasons.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:21 am to whatiknowsofar
In no particular order; he goes into the "they're all the same, situational" batch.
Elite tier:
1. Mahomes
2. Burrow
3. Allen
4. Jackson
5. Herbert
Near-elite tier:
6. Stroud
7. Prescott
8. Cousins
9. Rodgers (healthy)
10. Purdy
11. Tagovailoa
Then the they're all the same tier:
12. Goff
13. Stafford
14. Carr
15. Mayfield
16. Lawrence
17. Love
18. Hurts
19. Smith
20. Wilson
21. Murray
22. Watson
Definitely worse tier:
23. Howell
24. Young
25. O'Connell/Minshew
26. Levis
27. Brissett
28. Fields
29. Darnold
30. Jones
Unsure every rookie QB & some:
Richardson
Williams
Daniels
Nix
Maye
Penix Jr
Elite tier:
1. Mahomes
2. Burrow
3. Allen
4. Jackson
5. Herbert
Near-elite tier:
6. Stroud
7. Prescott
8. Cousins
9. Rodgers (healthy)
10. Purdy
11. Tagovailoa
Then the they're all the same tier:
12. Goff
13. Stafford
14. Carr
15. Mayfield
16. Lawrence
17. Love
18. Hurts
19. Smith
20. Wilson
21. Murray
22. Watson
Definitely worse tier:
23. Howell
24. Young
25. O'Connell/Minshew
26. Levis
27. Brissett
28. Fields
29. Darnold
30. Jones
Unsure every rookie QB & some:
Richardson
Williams
Daniels
Nix
Maye
Penix Jr
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:24 am to Fun Bunch
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It will go down as a decision that set the team back for a long time.
The extension. Not the signing. He was the best player available on a deal that really let the Saints walk away if it didn’t work out.
And then we extended him.
I wish we would’ve rolled with Taysom. I don’t seriously think you win there, but it lets the team deal with cap issues and position itself to rebuild.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:34 am to whatiknowsofar
If Carr stays healthy through the GB game the saints win the division and go to playoffs and the baker comment is moot point
Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis made sure the saints would stay in cap hell for a very long time. Sean wore out the checkbook on bad move after bad move. Made horrid draft day picks and decisions. Carr came into a pile of shite you can't blame Carr for everything only his personal play and even that can be subjective to the shite O-line
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It will go down as a decision that set the team back for a long time.
Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis made sure the saints would stay in cap hell for a very long time. Sean wore out the checkbook on bad move after bad move. Made horrid draft day picks and decisions. Carr came into a pile of shite you can't blame Carr for everything only his personal play and even that can be subjective to the shite O-line
This post was edited on 8/26/24 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:48 am to elprez00
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The extension. Not the signing. He was the best player available on a deal that really let the Saints walk away if it didn’t work out.
And then we extended him.
Restructure, not an extension. An extension means they added on additional years with the team. The Saints restructured his 2024 salary and converted majority (was it $30M) into a bonus, so they could spread that over 5 years. He is still scheduled to be a FA in 2027, unless they have to extend him to avoid the inevitable HUGE price tag when they do the same this offseason because Mickey can't help himself.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:58 am to Weekend Warrior79
Found the article
Looks like the way the ranking works, is these 50 voters just put them in tiers from 1-5 and then the QBs are ranked based on the average. Apparently, Carr has 4 Tier 2 rankings, and 4 Tier 4 rankings, the other 42 were tier 3.
FYI Tier 3 ranks from 15 - 22: Puts Carr in a group with Tua, TLaw, Kyler, Watson (funny when you consider how we ended up with Carr), Baker, Geno, & Russ
Going through some of the names, these "votes" stood out.
1 voter (may not be the same) put Josh Allen & Lamar in Tier 3?
Rodgers had 2 Tier 4 votes?
Love had 1 Tier 1 vote?
How does Fields get any tier 2 (1) or Tier 3 (20) votes?
Looks like the way the ranking works, is these 50 voters just put them in tiers from 1-5 and then the QBs are ranked based on the average. Apparently, Carr has 4 Tier 2 rankings, and 4 Tier 4 rankings, the other 42 were tier 3.
FYI Tier 3 ranks from 15 - 22: Puts Carr in a group with Tua, TLaw, Kyler, Watson (funny when you consider how we ended up with Carr), Baker, Geno, & Russ
Going through some of the names, these "votes" stood out.
1 voter (may not be the same) put Josh Allen & Lamar in Tier 3?
Rodgers had 2 Tier 4 votes?
Love had 1 Tier 1 vote?
How does Fields get any tier 2 (1) or Tier 3 (20) votes?
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:04 pm to GynoSandberg
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This is perfectly said. No one is falling for his mindless rah rah drivel
not completely true....there are still retards on this board that for whatever fricking reason defend Carr and the offense.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:49 pm to BilJ
He gets defended because he’s going to be our qb this season no matter what. It’s best to hope for the best. I can’t speak for everybody on this site but I actually take enjoyment watching the Saints win. I’m willing to give him this season and hopefully we can make adjustments next off season if he can’t lead us to the playoffs. Most think Carmichael was bad. So let’s see if Kubiak actually makes a difference.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:02 pm to dj30
I will give him his flowers if he can lead this team to the playoffs. Difference is, the Carr brigade will continue to make excuses for him if he falters
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:03 pm to dj30
There's optimism and there's believing Carr will suddenly change his stripes from whom he's been his whole career and be a guy that's capable of carrying a team into the playoffs because given how flawed this roster is, a slight improvement isn't getting us there.
the whole "we barely missed the playoffs" last year is such a fricking misnomer. Given our shite division and all the breaks we caught with the schedule, the playoffs should have been a given.
the whole "we barely missed the playoffs" last year is such a fricking misnomer. Given our shite division and all the breaks we caught with the schedule, the playoffs should have been a given.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:22 pm to High Life
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:33 pm to htran90
Pretty solid work
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:40 pm to Weekend Warrior79
Top third qb would be around, almost 11. I think Carr at his very best can be about that as evidenced by his making the Pro Bowl. More realistically, he’s a top half qb when playing well and there’s not a lot of difference in that large third tier.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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Carr's contract will still be here for years to come
just another reason to pull for him. we're gonna restructure him this coming off-season too. not much of a choice.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:58 pm to SEC Doctor
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You must be new here.
How is it not?
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:11 pm to whatiknowsofar
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“He’s a 3 without (Jon) Gruden,” an offensive coach said. “Gruden could carry the mantel of all the leadership, where Carr could just snuggle up under the umbrella of Gruden. He is exposed now. He is the umbrella. It’s not comfortable. That takes away from his production.”
impossible to say it any better.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:43 pm to High Life
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How is it not?
There's a long list. I'll go with:
"With the 11th pick of the 1979 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select..."
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