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Has anyone ever looked at overthecap.com ?
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:56 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:56 am
Not new info but daymmmm!
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(63,761,756) over for 2025!
How in the hell do we recover from this without extending older players.
I hate Godell like most Saints fans but Loomis is close second with all this bullshite.
At what point does this house of cards crash and garner NFL oversight?
It just pisses me off.
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(63,761,756) over for 2025!
How in the hell do we recover from this without extending older players.
I hate Godell like most Saints fans but Loomis is close second with all this bullshite.
At what point does this house of cards crash and garner NFL oversight?
It just pisses me off.
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:03 am to Borntoboogy
Post June 1 cut Ram, Jordan, Carr. That puts you under.
Find a vet on a minimum during the rebuild of two years.
Draft OL and DL this year and next. Then pull the trigger on a QB year 3.
Find a vet on a minimum during the rebuild of two years.
Draft OL and DL this year and next. Then pull the trigger on a QB year 3.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:16 am to Borntoboogy
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hate Godell like most Saints fans but Loomis is close second with all this bullshite.
Loomis’ refusal to accept a true rebuild is just going to keep us in the middle where we can’t get a good pick but don’t win anything.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:17 am to Borntoboogy
In 2025, post June 1 cut or trade Carr, Ramczyk, and Taysom Hill and you end up $4,238,244 under the cap, currently the Saints are $63,761,756 over the cap for 2025.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:23 am to bayou85
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Loomis’ refusal to accept a true rebuild is just going to keep us in the middle where we can’t get a good pick but don’t win anything.
We aren’t anywhere near the middle any longer. We’re only in the 2nd or 3rd inning of this project and will be reflected when the over/under on wins next season will be 4.5-5.5 area.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:29 am to Boss
Id love this because you would feel there is finally a future. Carr is ok enough to beat the crummy teams, and get a poor draft pick. That's what the Saints always do- middle of the pack football. But, it makes the draft a true game of skill, which we dont have(look at the 10 yr record)
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:37 am to Borntoboogy
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(63,761,756) over for 2025!
How in the hell do we recover from this without extending older players.
You do realize of course that (a) this is not a real number because next year's cap is not yet set and (b) the cap hit in any given year also has little meaning because teams can move money around within the life of a contract over several years, which is how the Saints do contracts.
This is not Madden and the Saints are not the idiot media (who never took anything higher than a 100 level math course in college) trying to figure out concepts such as present vs. future value. Teams like the Saints don't care about dead money or cap penalties. If they sign a guy to a $40 Million contract, the more they can push that off to the future the better because the higher cap number gives that $40 mil more value. And, if that happens to be in a year where the guy is gone, so be it.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:52 am to bstaceyau19
Say what you will about how good at “math” our front office is…The Saints have not made the playoffs in 4 seasons and have zero quality depth. That performance against Green Bay was one of the more pathetic displays in a generation of Saints fandom. The front office approach is clearly not working, no matter how good they are at understanding “future value”.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:10 am to Boss
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Find a vet on a minimum during the rebuild of two years
I agree with everything except this, would rather sign undrafted rookie or young free agents. More bodies less money
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:12 am to Boss
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Draft OL and DL this year and next. Then pull the trigger on a QB year 3.
I get waiting a year to draft or pull the trigger on a QB.
But you cannot wait 3.
The league doesn't work that way anymore, and this franchise can not afford to intentionally tank for 3 years.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:30 am to Boss
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Post June 1 cut Ram, Jordan, Carr. That puts you under.
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I was looking at 2024
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 9:32 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:51 am to Boss
I like Carr, but I think this needs fo happen. Bring in Justin fields on team friendly deal to compete with rattler or rookie
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:58 am to Boss
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Post June 1 cut Ram, Jordan, Carr. That puts you under.
Does not quite work this way. The team has to be cap compliant by March 12th this year. Therefore, they need to make the necessary moves to cut the $60M by that time. When you "post June 1 cut" a player, all of the dead money hits that cap on March 12th, then on June 1st the team gets the relief. If they were to do as you recommended, they would save approximately $3.5M against the cap for March 12th and still sitting around $60M over the cap. Then on 6/1/25, they would be able to recognize the additional $55M in cap savings.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:03 am to msstate7
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Bring in Justin fields on team friendly deal to compete with rattler or rookie
While I acknowledge that it is all speculation, there have been a bunch of articles indicating that Fields play at the beginning of the year justifies a decent payday. Decent QBs that are expected to start are most likely looking at $25M a year as the floor (what Geno signed for last offseason).
If they move on from Carr in 2025 (IMO, the smart cap move is to wait until 2027), I think the best approach is to let Rattler & Haener continue to battle it out; then bring in a vet with a foot into retirement to help the QB room but also be able to step in as an emergency QB. You repeat this as necessary until Rattler, Haener, or draft pick steps up and takes over the reins, or you finally fix your cap and can afford an actual quality QB.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:17 am to bstaceyau19
Under your scenario always pushing salary there is a limit of available contracts. This limits extending promising draftees before they hit the free market and signing top FA's that you desire.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:41 am to Borntoboogy
Correct
So tell me…..what coach is gonna chose the saints over any other situation especially those that have a QB? Chicago, Jax, cincy, etc
So tell me…..what coach is gonna chose the saints over any other situation especially those that have a QB? Chicago, Jax, cincy, etc
Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:52 am to BBJ
The ones that want to be the 32nd nfl HC on planet Earth. It's the hardest job to get for the biggest game in town.
It's easier to go into space than it is to be a head coach in the nfl.
It's easier to go into space than it is to be a head coach in the nfl.
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 10:54 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 11:33 am to Borntoboogy
Loomis will continue to find ways to drag this franchise through the mud. He still believes we are the same franchise that we were under the Payton/Brees regime.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 1:50 pm to gsmith5651
The Saints couldn't pick a good player if they had the first or last pick in the draft. The franchise has whiffed 80-90% of the time since 1967. Benson ownership has selected alot of bums during his tenure, dead or alive.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 1:55 pm to Borntoboogy
We basically just have to be really bad for a year (or two) and let the dead cap burn off. Maybe even get an awesome rookie qb out of it.
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