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Compensation for Payton
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:58 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:58 am
If he comes back and coaches for another team, they have to “trade” for him, correct? Since he’s still under contract with us, does it matter how long he sits out?
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Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:02 am to BigPerm30
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does it matter how long he sits out?
Yes, once his contract expires (through the end of the 2026 season) with NOLA, the Saints would not receive any compensation (picks or $).
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:05 am to LSUfan4444
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Yes, once his contract expires (through the end of the 2026 season) with NOLA, the Saints would not receive any compensation (picks or $).
Great.
If he wants to coach in the NFL prior to 2027 it starts at a 1st round pick and access to their roster for compensation.
Two 1st's if it's Dallas or and divisional team.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:07 am to Snipe
Feel like you guys are really overestimating what we will actually get back.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:08 am to St Augustine
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Feel like you guys are really overestimating what we will actually get back.
They never learn
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:10 am to St Augustine
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Feel like you guys are really overestimating what we will actually get back
Wasn’t the compensation for Gruden 2 firsts? I mean Payton is twice the coach of Gruden.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:36 am to BigPerm30
Notable NFL Head Coach Trades
Bill Parcells NE->NYJ
for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Bill Belichick NYJ->NE
+ 5th/7th for a 1st, 4th, 7th
Jon Gruden OAK->TB
for a 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, $8M
Mike Holmgren GB->SEA
for a 2nd
Herm Edwards NYJ->KC
for a 4th
Bill Parcells NE->NYJ
for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Bill Belichick NYJ->NE
+ 5th/7th for a 1st, 4th, 7th
Jon Gruden OAK->TB
for a 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, $8M
Mike Holmgren GB->SEA
for a 2nd
Herm Edwards NYJ->KC
for a 4th
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:38 am to BigPerm30
Parsons and two #1s.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:40 am to moneyg
Depends which year it happens. If its only the past year of his contract, we get less
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:50 am to St Augustine
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Feel like you guys are really overestimating what we will actually get back.
I feel like you are underestimating the value of one of the best coaches in football? If Gruden can demand all that then why can't Payton mean more? Explain that?
Since Payton joined the Saints (a 2-3 win team?) he immediately took them to the NFC Championship. Then from 06 until his suspension he had the most wins in the NFL except maybe the Patriots.. Now he had something like the 2nd or 3rd most wins among active coaches?
It absolutely should be 2 1sts and possibly a player minimum.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:59 am to josh336
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Depends which year it happens. If its only the past year of his contract, we get less
Parsons is worth less in that scenario as well because he's heading into being a FA soon.
But, I agree, the time to make the deal is now if you are going to make it. I wouldn't take much less a couple years down the road. I'd just force them both to wait.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:13 am to Chad504boy
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They never learn
It's not like trading a player where. The Saints hold all the cards in this. Sure he can sit out till 2027 and we will get nothing but we have nothing now. He's not coming back to the Saints.
We don't NEED to get anything in return for him, but we should get as much as anyone is willing to pay for have him coach in the next 5 years.
Sure sitting on him for 5 years may prevent him from coaching till 27, I guess screwing him, but with 5 years left on his NOLA contract he "Retires" if kinds screwing NOLA too.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:26 am to Chad504boy
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They never learn
Look I BELIEVE we should get a haul.
In reality I think we get some modest draft pick since we will have moved on with another coaching regime by that time.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:50 am to Chad504boy
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They never learn
its like the gameday board in here the last 18 hours
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:59 am to LSUfan4444
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Yes, once his contract expires (through the end of the 2026 season) with NOLA, the Saints would not receive any compensation (picks or $).
Yesterday he said he was 2 years into the 5 year contract. So wouldn't that mean he's under contract for 22,23,24 seasons?
Also does anyone have clarification on whether or not he's under contract for the next 3 calendar years, or next 3 eligibible non-retired seasons? Like if say his contract expires at the end of the 24 season, and he wants to coach in 25. Is he free to go anywhere in 25, or would the remaining 3 years of his contract still be in play once he were to un-retire?
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:04 am to BigPerm30
I say trade him.
Get value for him. I’d rather him coach somewhere else in a year and get something for him than see him coaching elsewhere a year or 2 later for nothing. Get some draft capital and go trade for a QB
Get value for him. I’d rather him coach somewhere else in a year and get something for him than see him coaching elsewhere a year or 2 later for nothing. Get some draft capital and go trade for a QB
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:21 am to BigPerm30
What I think will happen is the Saints will do Payton a "solid" and take less compensation then they could get for him. Just a shitty gut feeling.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:25 am to Girth Donor
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What I think will happen is the Saints will do Payton a "solid" and take less compensation then they could get for him. Just a shitty gut feeling
This is what will happen
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:36 am to Girth Donor
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What I think will happen is the Saints will do Payton a "solid" and take less compensation then they could get for him. Just a shitty gut feeling.
i would love to negotiate against you. "solids" have no place in any business dealings. unless maybe there is some mutual animosity involved. i do know of any on this case.
my completely uneducated guess is that the Saints ask for multiple 1s + random other picks + Player (parson as someone else mentioned), but settle on one #1 + PLAYER.
That is what i get from sitting here rubbing my crystal balls.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:36 am to Doug_H
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Like if say his contract expires at the end of the 24 season, and he wants to coach in 25. Is he free to go anywhere in 25, or would the remaining 3 years of his contract still be in play once he were to un-retire?
He’s free to start the ‘25 season
If he took a year off, he’d still be under contract for 2 seasons for whomever wanted to deal for him. Certainly would provide a return to the saints in that scenario
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