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Brandon Staley leads the speculation as new DC. Could the saints change defensive schemes?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:27 am
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:27 am
A lot of speculation about Staley coming in as DC and running a 3-4 base system.
IMO immediately we don’t have the LBer on the roster and no NT to play the middle.
Not sure wow the current dlinemen would workout in that system. Obviously it’s a multi year personnel overhaul. Breese will likely do well in any system. Saunders and Shepherd I think are not even good fits for the system we ran and don’t think they are starters and a new 3-4.
They there’s the draft. What players fit a 3-4 system? Graham is listed as a 3 tech but has the build to play NT.
IMO immediately we don’t have the LBer on the roster and no NT to play the middle.
Not sure wow the current dlinemen would workout in that system. Obviously it’s a multi year personnel overhaul. Breese will likely do well in any system. Saunders and Shepherd I think are not even good fits for the system we ran and don’t think they are starters and a new 3-4.
They there’s the draft. What players fit a 3-4 system? Graham is listed as a 3 tech but has the build to play NT.
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:35 am to Snipe
None of the previous staff is here and the roster is an aging mess. Changing schemes isn’t a big deal.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:44 am to Snipe
Well to be fair we don't have the line to play 4-3 either lol
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:51 am to St Augustine
From a personal standpoint it is a pretty big deal.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:52 am to Snipe
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IMO immediately we don’t have the LBer on the roster and no NT to play the middle.
The Staley system is a derivative of Fangio's system and they use gap and a half DL schemes so you're not going to need a big fat 2-gap NT, just FWIW
Jalen Carter was the primary DI for the Eagles and Aaron Donald was the primary DI for the Rams under Staley. Both dominate with penetration and not 2-gap roles.
We have 2 adequate OBLBs in Davis/Werner
We do not have the weakside edge. Cam will likely play DI next to Bresse and Granderson can play one edge. We will be dominated on the ground, which the Chargers faced routinely under Staley.
I still want Graham at 9 if he slides to open up our DL.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:05 am to Snipe
It's called regime change, scheme change, build through draft to implement new systems. There will be growing pains
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:08 am to Snipe
In a 3-4 wouldn't Breese be able to play on strong side DE?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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I still want Graham at 9 if he slides to open up our DL.
For sure but we should be in a good spot to beef up regardless
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 2/15/25 at 12:19 pm to Snipe
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From a personal standpoint it is a pretty big deal.
Arguably our two best front 7 players (besides Bresee)maybe have a year left.
A new vision is a new vision. If Moore wants to switch you do it. How many legit players are REALLY being impacted? The relevant personnel isn’t worth holding back for.
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 2/15/25 at 12:48 pm to St Augustine
This isn’t an argument over if you do it or not. Obviously if that the direction they want to go they’re going. I’m asking do we have anyone currently that can translate to that type of defense or is it a case where you say ok we’re doing the and we’ll suck at it this season until we can get the players we need in that system.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 1:32 pm to Snipe
I’d think Breese would slide into Carters role. Move down get extra picks. Tons of tweener edge guys this draft.
Abdul Carter would be a nice starting point to play edge. Or move down some for Jalon walker. Draft the Kentucky NT in the second.
Our front 7 is a mess and getting old. I would think we could actually get another year out of Cam playing end in a 3-4.
Abdul Carter would be a nice starting point to play edge. Or move down some for Jalon walker. Draft the Kentucky NT in the second.
Our front 7 is a mess and getting old. I would think we could actually get another year out of Cam playing end in a 3-4.
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 2/15/25 at 2:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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need a big fat 2-gap NT, just FWIW
Correct. It’s not the old school 3-4 like Saban ran at Bama with big arse Terrence Cody.
I love the 3-4 because of the flexibility it provides when you have the personnel. We don’t have it but considering Moore’s first season is likely going to be a waste anyway, they can snag a few pieces in the draft this year and next to make it work.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 2:10 pm to Mushroom1968
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In a 3-4 wouldn't Breese be able to play on strong side DE?
Yep. Then you could pick up Walker or someone else for NT and then pick up the other 3-4 end in the draft or try to sign Milton Williams, who played one of the DEs/DTs alongside Carter and Davis for the Eagles
Posted on 2/15/25 at 2:33 pm to goatmilker
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Well to be fair we don't have the line to play 4-3 either lol
Was coming to say something similar.
We were bad in just about every aspect of the game last year. Blow it all up and start over....
Posted on 2/15/25 at 3:26 pm to dupergreenie
Can Saunders play some NT?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:15 pm to Snipe
Didn’t we swap to a 3-4 a few years ago when Rob Ryan became the DC? Not a big deal since we were probably gonna get rid of a lot of players anyways. Get 2 huge nose tackles.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:48 pm to Townedrunkard
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would think we could actually get another year out of Cam playing end in a 3-4.
I know he’s basically washed up but he played 3-4 in college. I remember people being pissed we drafted a 3-4 DE to play in a 4-3 when we got him
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:50 pm to Mushroom1968
I wouldn’t mind if all our draft picks were O and D line, maybe a LB. We need a LG and competition at RT but Dline is even worse. Can’t believe what we did with Baun at LB
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:20 am to Snipe
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running a 3-4 base system
3-4 would shine in today's pass happy NFL. I'm surprised more teams don't run this, but that's probably more due to the lack of quality NTs coming out of college. It's a dead breed I think. Ngata was the last great one that I can think of off the top of my head?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:32 am to Midget Death Squad
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It's a dead breed I think. Ngata was the last great one that I can think of off the top of my head?
Vita Vea
Dexter Lawrence
Derrick Brown
3-4s aren't typically like the old one with the big 2-gap NT. That limits your D.
The Fangio system specifically uses "gap and a half" alignments and it doesn't require the hog mollies (sp)
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