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re: Attorney for Smith family / Attorney for Hayes l Press Conference Recap

Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by Keeble9145
Member since Sep 2015
990 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:48 pm to
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Tell me what those grainy specs are in the video with 100% certainty. Until you can. you're doing nothing but speculating. There's a reason Scott Walker says it "appears to show" instead of it "shows."


lmao you just dug yourself a grave on this one because the only source the attorney got his info from was biased people that were involved. The non biased witnesses reports went against almost everything that he stated. He also used the phrase "to the best of my knowledge" aka he doesn't know and is going to paint a pretty picture for his client.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46735 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:48 pm to
Not if u have a functional brain. U know it, but just have dug in too far to go back. The lawyer way.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
39159 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:49 pm to
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I think he was hit,




Now as a prosecutor, wouldn't want it to be a H&R...demonstrating why Hayes would be enraged and want to return the favor? I believe I'm on to something....tell me I'm wrong!
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17612 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:49 pm to
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You don't know the legal distinctions in Louisiana.

2nd Degree is extremely doable in this case.


A. Second degree murder is the killing of a human being:

(1) When the offender has a specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm; or MOST LIKELY BUT SEE BELOW

(2) When the offender is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of aggravated rape, forcible rape, aggravated arson, aggravated burglary, aggravated kidnapping, second degree kidnapping, aggravated escape, assault by drive-by shooting, armed robbery, first degree robbery, second degree robbery, simple robbery, cruelty to juveniles, second degree cruelty to juveniles, or terrorism, even though he has no intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm. NOPE

(3) When the offender unlawfully distributes or dispenses a controlled dangerous substance listed in Schedules I through V of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law*, or any combination thereof, which is the direct cause of the death of the recipient who ingested or consumed the controlled dangerous substance. NOPE

(4) When the offender unlawfully distributes or dispenses a controlled dangerous substance listed in Schedules I through V of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law*, or any combination thereof, to another who subsequently distributes or dispenses such controlled dangerous substance which is the direct cause of the death of the person who ingested or consumed the controlled dangerous substance. NOPE

B. Whoever commits the crime of second degree murder shall be punished by life imprisonment at hard labor without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.



A. Manslaughter is:

(1) A homicide which would be murder under either Article 30 (first degree murder) or Article 30.1 (second degree murder), but the offense is committed in sudden passion or heat of blood immediately caused by provocation sufficient to deprive an average person of his self-control and cool reflection. Provocation shall not reduce a homicide to manslaughter if the jury finds that the offender’s blood had actually cooled, or that an average person’s blood would have cooled, at the time the offense was committed; or DING DING DING

(2) A homicide committed, without any intent to cause death or great bodily harm. NOPE

(a) When the offender is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of any felony not enumerated in Article 30 or 30.1, or of any intentional misdemeanor directly affecting the person; or NOPE

(b) When the offender is resisting lawful arrest by means, or in a manner, not inherently dangerous, and the circumstances are such that the killing would not be murder under Article 30 or 30.1. NOPE

B. Whoever commits manslaughter shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not more than forty years. However, if the victim killed was under the age of ten years, the offender shall be imprisoned at hard labor, without benefit of probation or suspension of sentence, for not less than ten years or more than forty years.


This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290899 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:49 pm to
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Again. I think he was hit, I just don't know it. Those things don't change what we know.



all actions afterward confirm there being contact between the 2 vehicles. If you want to speculate on why otherwise, thats ok. I just know you arent crazy enough to think they didnt hit.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:49 pm to
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he doesn't know and is going to paint a pretty picture for his client.


Hmm, almost like the same thing Hayes's attorney is doing. Funny that you seem to only be chastising one of them though.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
39159 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:51 pm to
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And?


The guy was asking Fun Bunch what kind of lawyer he was and you replied "not a lawyer" as if you thought he was asking you what kind of lawyer you were.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290899 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:51 pm to
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Looks like Smith flashes his lights at Hayes. Smith, aggravated that this guy is parked in the middle of the street, speeds off in front of him to try and make the light.


a car had already passed through the intersection. The light had been red for a few seconds before he deliberately ran it. He wasn't trying to "make the light".
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15077 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:51 pm to
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Oh
my
God



Was hoping to get a bite. This thread is fun.
Posted by Zach Lee To Amp Hill
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2016
4977 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:51 pm to
they'll prolly convict Hayes on murder 2 because Will Smith is a Saint so everyone is acting all up in arms but had this been anyone else he'd get manslaughter.

quote:

Hmm, almost like the same thing Hayes's attorney is doing. Funny that you seem to only be chastising one of them though.


some of the shite Hayes attorney said actually ended up being factual. Smith's attorney is very potentially either wrong about certain facts or lying.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130305 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

Now as a prosecutor, wouldn't want it to be a H&R...demonstrating why Hayes would be enraged and want to return the favor? I believe I'm on to something....tell me I'm wrong


I've said for several days now that the hit and run works against Hayes and in favor of the DA.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47810 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:51 pm to
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Looks like Smith flashes his lights at Hayes. Smith, aggravated that this guy is parked in the middle of the street, speeds off in front of him to try and make the light.



smith didnt flash his lights at all. that was the hummers reverse lights.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15077 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:52 pm to
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The light had been red for a few seconds before he deliberately ran it.


Would definitely be the first time someone has run a red light late at night.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41106 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

I assume you're talking about the light that is center left of the screen, right?



That light I'm referring to was to the left. I am also inferring that the light was red due to a car coming from the right passing through the intersection a few seconds before smith barrels through and turns left.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
39159 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:53 pm to
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I've said for several days now that the hit and run works against Hayes and in favor of the DA.


So why not hop aboard and admit he hit him?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130305 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:53 pm to
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The non biased witnesses reports went against almost everything that he stated.


Do they? Out there collecting evidence, huh?
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46735 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

quote:
You are also not Bunch


And?


I wasn't talking to u
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89135 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:53 pm to
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So why not hop aboard and admit he hit him?



Because that's speculating, and it's bad mmmkay?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130305 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:54 pm to
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So why not hop aboard and admit he hit him?


Because, once again, I've said that the videos available didn't show impact. Everyone was inferring it. The twitter video is better but still pretty hard to see.

I have no dog in this hunt. I just think that Hayes is probably a murderer based on what we've seen so far.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290899 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Would definitely be the first time someone has run a red light late at night.




oh, you are one of those. Hello, come in. Have you met my friend lunchbox yet?
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