re: Zion's bubble injury kept secret from team(coaches)?

Well, Jake actually talked to Christian Clark about the story, and it's possible that Christian and/or Jake know stuff about the situation that they couldn't verify and which makes everything much worse than what's reported. So, I don't rule out that Griff could be royally screwing everything up.

But the fact that Griff and Zion don't actually talk much, and the silliness of the piano thing (and we absolutely don't know the context of that), are not a big deal. Zion needs a relationship with his head coach, and it's good if develops relationships with his teammates and the assistant coaches. If Griffin and he don't relate well, then Trajan can talk with Zion when necessary. None of that is a problem as long as the relationship isn't toxic, and everything that we have heard says that this is not the case -- that Zion's problem with the organization is simply that they didn't put a winning team and coach around him last season.

Again, though, it's possible that Christian/Jake know stuff that they can't put into print or on the air. But based on what we actually know, whether Zion stays or goes is ultimately going to depend on Willie Green, Jaxson Hayes, NAW, Naji, Trey Murphy, BI, Jonas, Kira, etc.

In other words, if the players that we have drafted and traded for perform as we hope (and if Green is a good coach), then Zion is going to be here for many years, and the team will be a contender in a few years.

But if Trey Murphy turns into a bust, if NAW tears an achilles, if Jaxson gets into a fight with a teammate and breaks his jaw, and/or if Jonas and Graham simply suck the way that Bledsoe and Adams did, then David Griffin is going to get fired, and we stand a good chance of losing Zion.

But Zion was always going to leave if we didn't put a winning team around him. That's always been true.

So, Bronc, I don't think of myself as a Griff stan. He's struck out bigtime with SVG, Adams, Melli, and Bledsoe. We lost a great opportunity with Christian Wood. I thought some of those decisions made sense at the time, but GMs get judged by how those decisions work out.

On the other hand, some things have worked out very well. Getting BI in the AD trade worked very well, assembling quality assistants and support staff, etc. So far, it seems that we have drafted very well in Jaxson, NAW, Kira, and Murphy. I still see the potential for those players to become the kind of players that can turn the Pels into contenders, and of course, we still have picks to make another big trade in a year or two to put us over the top.

So, I think that I'm being objective about the job that David Griffin has done. I don't get paid to say great things about him.

In terms of the player stuff. I think it's an even mix of good and bad. I agree he's drafted reasonably well. We'll kinda get an answer to that this season with Jax and NAW taking bigger roles. They live up to the expectations and he gets a great grade there.

But the other stuff has been BAD. SVG was a BAD hire. Trading a pick to get Steven Adams, giving him an extension, then trading another pick to move off of him was terrible. You say they still have assets to make a move and they do, but I'd rather have more assets to make that move.

And that's not even counting that right now they can use relevant picks to make a move at the trade deadline this year.

Well, to be successful, it's obvious that Griff will have to continue with allowing Trajan and Swin to help make major decisions.

We saw that with the Willie Green hiring, and it's obviously essential if some of Griff's earlier actions cost him some respect with some staffers.

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I guess it is the small market fan in me, but if he don't want to be here, he can frick off.

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Yeah, I mean, like I was saying last night, it's not the doomsday outcome some seem to imply.

If things cross into irreversibly toxic(and I still take the position we really shouldnt assume that til this season plays out), as long as we move proactively, this team could recover, and recover better than many expect.

Zion would get you a MASSIVE haul. Easily surpass every prior superstar deal if you did it right. And with it you could conceivably build a team around BI that is at a minimum, consistently competitive.

You might not have a top 10 talent, but you could very realistically get yourself a perennial 7-4 seed roster. And TBH, I would take that as a fan of this team.

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Yep. Phoenix was a dumpster fire and the owner was one of the worst owners in all of sports...until he wasn't when they started winning.

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After he hired james jones and all those guys. Griffen sucks and always has.

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Griffen sucks and always has.

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I had concerns about him based on the terrible drafting he did with Cleveland and some of the shitty contracts he doled out there.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt based on his ability to talk a good game and I just put much of the blame on bitch arse Lebron.

Looks like the real truth is they're both dipshits.

Posting an IG saying “ready for the season with my boys” isn’t too much to ask

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So if they find a way to handle that then this could start to go away.

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If this means firing Griff, then David your last paycheck will arrive via FedEx in 3-5 business days and HR will send out an invite shortly regarding your exit interview. Please return all company owned piano sheet music before departure. Trajan should be in touch regarding job handover.

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So if they find a way to handle that

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Pels Talk about to take Griffin fishin