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re: Would any team in the league trade Dyson Daniels for Dejounte Murray?
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:18 am to brmark70816
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:18 am to brmark70816
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He is faking an injury right now (or at least exaggerating it) to get a new deal.
I hate it when people write crap they can’t possibly know. No doubt Ingram has been slow to come back from injuries pretty much his entire career. So I get he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. But you DO NOT know his physical condition.
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:57 am to TigerinATL
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To try and act like Dyson is a player of that caliber is as nuts as the people that thought Trey could fill Ingram’s shoes this season. Maybe Trey becomes more of a scorer eventually, but most of what he’s good at now requires being set up. He’s a role playing starter, just like Dyson. To try and act like he gives you more than an All Star caliber starter is just absurd.
I don't know. Dyson is so young and already All NBA level defensively.
The upside is huge.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:08 am to ghost2most
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The upside is huge.
His peak is better Lonzo, again, not a bad player to have at all, but not what the Pels need and a bit redundant with what they do have. Is he even a starter here? I wouldn't play him over Herb currently, and I don't see Dyson + Herb + Center working well in a starting lineup because you lack shooting and still need a PG.
I think it's also important to point out that Dyson is in almost a perfect situation for him. He fits exactly what Atlanta needed next to Trae. He's going to look like he's thriving there while he would have been stifled here.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 9:26 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:35 am to Pels_Yaz
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He literally was chosen to an all star game.
In all sports, this has become an utter joke in all honesty. Half the players are injured and have no durability and can’t play in the all star games/pro bowls and so second tier and even third tier players get in annually.
Murray is a solid not great player. He was another bad trade in all honesty for what they gave up, but that seems to be Griff’s specialty.
This team is poorly managed, has no legitimate leadership, and full of malcontents and lazy players like BI and Zion as the faces of the franchise.
They are a reflection of their owner and management.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:36 am to TigerinATL
I agree the fit isn't ideal here because he's not a good enough shooter.
But man, if he can ever get to Lonzo level shooting ability, paired with Herb, our defense would be incredible.
He's way better than Lonzo defensively already imo.
But man, if he can ever get to Lonzo level shooting ability, paired with Herb, our defense would be incredible.
He's way better than Lonzo defensively already imo.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:58 am to Islandboy777
quote:Really? How do you rush back from a broken bone?
He is still hurt. Griff rushed him back ro dave his arse with the trade
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:10 am to LSUgrad88
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hate it when people write crap they can’t possibly know. No doubt Ingram has been slow to come back from injuries pretty much his entire career. So I get he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. But you DO NOT know his physical condition.
They just changed his injury designation and he warmed up with the team right before the game. It's common knowledge he's holding out till he gets new representation.
If they want me to believe or trust their injury reports, they need to stop lying. Otherwise it's fair game to assume and guess all we want..
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:20 am to brmark70816
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Otherwise it's fair game to assume and guess all we want..
It’s fair to guess for sure. That would be phrased as an opinion, something like “I think he’s faking an injury and refusing to play until he gets a new contract.” You said “He is faking an injury . . .” Something you simply can’t know.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:06 pm to SEC Doctor
I’m the biggest DD guy here and Murray is the better player, on a good contract.
Now if DD ever develops a 3 point shot, I’d take him over Murray.
The real question is if you’d take DD right now and Knecht, b/c that’s what we could have had.,
Now if DD ever develops a 3 point shot, I’d take him over Murray.
The real question is if you’d take DD right now and Knecht, b/c that’s what we could have had.,
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:12 pm to SEC Doctor
quote:Yes
Would any team in the league trade Dyson Daniels for Dejounte Murray?
quote:Rebuilding teams, sure. Contending teams in need of a lead guard, every single one of them would prefer Murray.
I think most teams would rather have Dyson at his age and salary than Murray at his age with his contract
quote:Only because every single player worth a darn on our team got hurt.
Pels got killed on that deal.
The jury is still out on whether Dyson Daniels can be in a playoff rotation, there's no guarantee he'll ever be that good. Folks were just way too quick to crown him.
And I say all of this as one of Dyson's biggest fans on Pels Talk for his time with the Pels. But the truth is, he is in year 3(yes, still young) and absolutely awful on offense. There's no way around that, no logical argument that he's not an awful offensive player right now.
People saw him play 2 games and crowned him as being already a viable offensive player and having a massive ceiling he'll likely reach. I saw star and All Star thrown around on this board.
The truth is, it's in question as to whether he'll ever be as good as Herb Jones was just last season. His ceiling may be a bit above that, but there's a solid chance he'll never be as good as 2024 Herb.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:13 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:lol no
Yeah and Dejounte is way worse right now than Dyson
The good old 4 game sample size...
Murray is definitely not going to get any better, he's going to keep shooting like this for the next 60 games, right?
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:15 pm to SEC Doctor
quote:Yes, right now I assume every Pels fan agrees with this.
No idiocy at all. I’d rather have Dyson (age 21) this season and the next two years for a total of $19 million than Murray (age 28) for this season and the next couple years at $30 million plus a year.
We didn't have the knowledge that the entire team would be injured and we'd be 4-17 to start this season. If we did, I'm fairly certain we would not have made this trade.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:54 pm to TigerinATL
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His peak is better Lonzo, again, not a bad player to have at all, but not what the Pels need and a bit redundant with what they do have. Is he even a starter here? I wouldn't play him over Herb currently, and I don't see Dyson + Herb + Center working well in a starting lineup because you lack shooting and still need a PG.
And his 2nd contract is coming due very quickly. That's the whole rub with Dyson.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
He's only averaging a little more than a point per shot with poor 3 point shooting and poor free throw rate. His offense is very inefficient right now and his assist to turnovers ratio isn't good either. He's getting a ton of volume to get his stats.
He's a terrific defender who needs to get a ton of volume in order to not look like a liability on the floor.
He reminds me of Marcus Smart in that sense.
He's a terrific defender who needs to get a ton of volume in order to not look like a liability on the floor.
He reminds me of Marcus Smart in that sense.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:17 pm to TigerinATL
quote:This
His peak is better Lonzo, again, not a bad player to have at all, but not what the Pels need and a bit redundant with what they do have. Is he even a starter here? I wouldn't play him over Herb currently, and I don't see Dyson + Herb + Center working well in a starting lineup because you lack shooting and still need a PG.
Think 2 years from now...Not a great plan if we were planning to start Herb/Dyson/Zion/Missi together.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:38 pm to LSUgrad88
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I hate it when people write crap they can’t possibly know. No doubt Ingram has been slow to come back from injuries pretty much his entire career. So I get he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. But you DO NOT know his physical condition.
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I don’t think brmark was completely off the mark in his comments. Shamit literally stated he pulled himself even though expectation was that he would play.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:33 pm to shel311
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People saw him play 2 games and crowned him as being already a viable offensive player and having a massive ceiling he'll likely reach. I saw star and All Star thrown around on this board
Well he’s accomplished things that haven’t been done in almost 40 years since MJ. Pretty good reason to be excited with the potential. Especially when posters on here said he’d be out the nba and not good enough to be a rotational player much less a starter…..
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:37 pm to Townedrunkard
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Pretty good reason to be excited.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Defensive player of the month along with Wemby. Is this a new award? I don’t remember Herb getting this.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 9:46 am to Townedrunkard
quote:No one said he's not good or the Hawks shouldn't like his potential.
Pretty good reason to be excited with the potential.
That isn't what I referenced.
quote:So yea, you ignored my entire premise just to get in the exact same line you go to with 95% of your posts.
Especially when posters on here said he’d be out the nba and not good enough to be a rotational player much less a starter…..
You don't try to discuss things in good faith, all you want to do is talk about how you were right then pretend EVERYONE else had the opposite opinion, which you almost always exaggerate to make yourself look good...like when you claimed all of Pels Talk said Trey had the most value on the team.
At no point in your reply to did you even attempt to discuss any of my point you replied to, which is Dyson's offense is really bad and there's no guarantee it'll ever be good enough to be a viable playoff rotation dude.
But again, if you want to discuss what I said, not the thing you wanted to talk about, feel free to try again.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:50 pm to spaghettioeauxs
Wasn't agood trade. Cheap and great D. Looks like he found the O.
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