What do you see as a "successful" year? On the flip, what would make you question the FO?

40 wins, play-in

Anything less than 30 wins is a failure. Furthermore, if they are out of it by the deadline and not blowing it up to build around Fears and Queen

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What do you see as a "successful" year?

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Make the playoffs. Not the play-in, but playoffs.

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what would make you question the FO

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Too late I already am

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What do you see as a "successful" year? On the flip, what would make you question the FO?

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Playoffs are a success, no playoffs are a failure.

It's really that simple. We didn't tank last season, we aren't trying to tank this season...missing the playoffs is a failure.



Now that being said, looking at the team, the expectation for me is....something like 32 wins.

So we can win 35 games which is more than I expect, but it's still a failure from our front office on down.

There's different levels of "successful" IMO.

1. Playoffs + a clear long term vision.

2. A loss in the play in + Fears/ Queen/ Mathurin/ Missi looking like key future starters/ stars.

3. I'd argue its successful if we barely miss the playoffs but our young players look good and we finally trade Z and others for picks/ young players to pair with them.

We have the Bucks swap for 2027 and should get a Top 10 pick.

This season should be focused on who fits, what works, and planning for the future with Murray/ Poole/ Z and their $110mil combined salary up for extension/ trades.

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You just admitted failure

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Over half the league makes the playoffs. We aren't tanking and haven't been recently, how missing the playoffs in any capacity is being labeled success is just wild to me.

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how missing the playoffs in any capacity is being labeled success is just wild to me.

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Moving on from Z and anyone else holding us back IS success one way or another.

Missing the playoffs because Z/ Trey/ Murray/ Herb aren't moving the needle while Fears/ Queen look like future all stars would be successful if it means we finally build the team for the future and unload Z, Trey, Herb, etccc for future picks or young players.

I didn't say "missing the playoffs and everyone looking like shite is successful".

Z/ Trey/ Herb were on the roster before Dumars/ Weaver took control. Right now their guys are Fears/ Queen/ Bey/ Mathurin. If the guys our FO brought in look good while we see the same bullshite from older players then I'm not going to act like Dumars/ Weaver went backwards or messed something up.

If y'all really think the current team is so bad then all you should care about is Fears/ Queen/ '27 Bucks and whoever ends up looking good this year to keep with them.

I find it amusing that people in here will expect no more than 20 wins and then act like its only successful to them if we make the playoffs. Because expecting 20 wins and getting 44 would be a huge step back.

I'm not even optimistic about the season but the only thing I need to see this season is continued development from Fears, Queen, and Missi. If we're lucky, they'll take the next step before the year is over.

After the season, they better have enough data to make a decision on Murray, Herb, Trey, and Zion. It'll be time to pick a direction.

I mean it's a little tongue in cheek.

I'd question any Zion extension.

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hat would you consider to be a successful year?

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Making the actual playoff, not play in.

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what is a record (or however you'd like to frame it) that you would not only consider to be unsuccessfu

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Missing the play in.

The season could still be a success if by the trade deadline we are out of it and we trade Zion.

It's a massive failure if we are out of it and don't trade Zion. I will not follow the Pels next year if we suck once again and still have him on the roster.

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Success is trading Murray and Poole

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That too.

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Zion becomes top 15 player.

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Year 8 baby! This is the year it finally happens! Got any examples of often injured and overweight guys making a leap from being a top 50ish player to top 15 in an offseason? In year 8? We know what Zion is, he is not a top 15 player, just stop.