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re: We have to land another star
Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:27 pm to M3From225
Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:27 pm to M3From225
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Siakam, Buddy, Sexton, etc aren't stars
No they aren't, but if the goal is to make a trade consisting mostly of draft picks, there aren't many teams that would be willing to make a deal. If you called the Blazers/Jazz and said "Take all of our draft picks for Dame/Mitchell" they'd tell you to check back next season after they try to swindle you with their underperforming #2 on a bad contract.
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That's what kills me with this board: we need to land a star
If you want to keep Zion and Ingram and trade mostly picks then Fox or Beal might be the best players you'd have a shot at if you don't jump up in the lottery. This board kills you? The ugly truth of the Pel's situation with so many teams aiming for the playoffs is what's killing you. I didn't list those players because I think Harrison Barnes is a star, I did it because the question was what stars can we get with picks. The answer is "probably none", but these are the teams that might be willing to change direction for enough picks and the players they have that would be available and might help the Pels if you convinced them to rebuild.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 2:30 pm
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:55 pm to M3From225
I mean Siakam was an all star & all nba 2nd team last year
He’s more of a star then say Jrue Holliday
He’s more of a star then say Jrue Holliday
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:24 pm to Lester Earl
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But as an ancillary piece he’s great.
Yeah I'm comparing him to our 3rd man. He's so much better it takes up a lot of those 20 games
Bridges too
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:30 pm to TigerinATL
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Fox or Beal
We'd be extremely lucky to get either
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
With Beal you probably get outbid by someone like the Warriors. For Fox you have to convince Sacramento to rebuild again.
One option I left out is SGA in OKC. We have to see how the lottery shakes out, but SGA as their best player is a build that's doomed to fail like Butler in Chicago and Paul George in Indy. If the Pels can jump up and push OKC back in the process, trading for SGA probably becomes an option and he looks like a pretty good fit for what the Pels need, a driving 2 way guard.
One option I left out is SGA in OKC. We have to see how the lottery shakes out, but SGA as their best player is a build that's doomed to fail like Butler in Chicago and Paul George in Indy. If the Pels can jump up and push OKC back in the process, trading for SGA probably becomes an option and he looks like a pretty good fit for what the Pels need, a driving 2 way guard.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:42 pm to TigerinATL
SGA is worth keeping an eye on. I don't think that's an option til 22-23, but worth considering if we get to that point without finding another star.
Beal still feels like the only real option coming up. And increasingly I'm more hesitant with some of his comments that suggest more and more he will test FA.
Would be very risky dumping a chunk of our assets for a one-year rental that if he leaves may push Zion to the brink of disillusionment.
If you go the Beal route we really need to make the conference finals and make Beal feel like we can be his new home.
Beal still feels like the only real option coming up. And increasingly I'm more hesitant with some of his comments that suggest more and more he will test FA.
Would be very risky dumping a chunk of our assets for a one-year rental that if he leaves may push Zion to the brink of disillusionment.
If you go the Beal route we really need to make the conference finals and make Beal feel like we can be his new home.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, I don't see either being traded.
I think you could get McCollum or maybe someone from the raptors.
Why would Sacramento trade fox after they just signed him?
I think you could get McCollum or maybe someone from the raptors.
Why would Sacramento trade fox after they just signed him?
Posted on 6/20/21 at 5:05 pm to Broski
Do we see any of Zo, NAW, or Hayes as an all-star? One or more will have to go for a proven star. This is why I'm a little annoyed that the team hasn't picked a style of play. Bringing in new coaches and players would be much easier. Giff has an idea and it's probably somewhere between Alvin and SVG, closer to Alvin.
We've been at two polar opposites style-wise the last two years and now bringing in a third. I'm pretty sure that Zo, BI, NAW, and Jax benefit from an uptempo game. Zion, in his current form, may like a more methodical pace, although he's capable of playing both.
A quicker-paced team may not be as reliant on the number of shooters you bring in and we'd get more athletic in the frontcourt. A slower-paced team and you're investing in more shooters and a little more size down low.
I'm in the camp that we need a third star and we may already have one in-house. This doesn't mean we shouldn't be on the market for a proven third star, just wouldn't want to go get the wrong star with continued directionless play.
We've been at two polar opposites style-wise the last two years and now bringing in a third. I'm pretty sure that Zo, BI, NAW, and Jax benefit from an uptempo game. Zion, in his current form, may like a more methodical pace, although he's capable of playing both.
A quicker-paced team may not be as reliant on the number of shooters you bring in and we'd get more athletic in the frontcourt. A slower-paced team and you're investing in more shooters and a little more size down low.
I'm in the camp that we need a third star and we may already have one in-house. This doesn't mean we shouldn't be on the market for a proven third star, just wouldn't want to go get the wrong star with continued directionless play.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 5:16 pm to Pistol44
I think NAW and Hayes could be stars. We’ve seen glimpses from both to suggest so.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:53 pm to NOSHAU
This scenario reminds me of Dell offering big money to Tyreke Evans, Ryan Anderson, Omer Asik, and Solomon Hill. Most (in the know) fans knew we overpaid but crossed our fingers hoping the players would greatly improve next to AD. If we never signed those guys we suffer a couple seasons and build through the draft. I want us to do that with 21 year old Zion, but I fear Griff would even trade Cade Cunningham/Suggs for 30 year old’s Beal/Dame.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:56 pm to JustinT37
If we can’t get Beal, I wonder how much Westbrook would cost. He shouldn’t be much and every team he played for loves him. Wizards probably would want to dump his huge contract, even though it’s only 2 years left. Beal even said how much of a leader he is. We need someone with that mentality on our team.
I be frustrated if we got McCollum, the guy is not a star at all. Back problems got him on the wrong side of 30.
I be frustrated if we got McCollum, the guy is not a star at all. Back problems got him on the wrong side of 30.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:37 pm to duyp
Wizards want to keep westbrook.
I like McCollum because most of the time he is deadly and can get his own shot.
It almost wouldn't work with ingram though. I'd only want him if I'm moving Ingram for another player or pieces
I like McCollum because most of the time he is deadly and can get his own shot.
It almost wouldn't work with ingram though. I'd only want him if I'm moving Ingram for another player or pieces
Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:31 am to duyp
Yeah I'm not interested in McCollum on this team. I'd rather have Lonzo than McCollum.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:13 am to RUFshreve
Mccollum wouldn’t be my top option, but trading out CJ for Zo and Bled and letting NAW get more run would be an upgrade imo. NAW averages a pretty efficient 20 a game as a starter. I’d argue he’s better than Zo right now and CJ is one of those guards that can get his own quality shot at any time. Zo aint that guy and NAW and Kira aren’t those guys yet either. CJ is also a more consistent, more reputable shooter that actually can draw defensive gravity away from Zion and BI.
I’d like to submit Lavine to the land another star thread. I think we have a better chance of prying him away this offseason than say an SGA or a Fox.
I’d like to submit Lavine to the land another star thread. I think we have a better chance of prying him away this offseason than say an SGA or a Fox.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 2:14 am
Posted on 6/21/21 at 7:27 am to JustinT37
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If we never signed those guys we suffer a couple seasons and build through the draft. I want us to do that with 21 year old Zion
we don't have time for this and we're likely too good to get players we need in the draft
Posted on 6/21/21 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
How about a guy who has shot 49% with 4.2 rebounds and 6.9 assists last season that we don’t have to give up picks for? Demar Derozan. He can create his own shot, is a great veteran leader and can pass the ball. I think he is super underrated and won’t cost that much compared to the rest of these other stars.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 7:43 am
Posted on 6/21/21 at 8:08 am to duyp
Demar is a free agent, and would be a terrible fit with our team.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 8:10 am to duyp
we don't have cap room to sign a FA so i don't know how we'd get him. maybe the MLE
he can't shoot 3s though, which is what we need. very good FT shooter though i guess?
he can't shoot 3s though, which is what we need. very good FT shooter though i guess?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 8:11 am to duyp
I really think Demar is going to try hard to get to a contender. I even think he will take less to go to one.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:17 am to Lester Earl
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They need a good coach & better role players
They have two stars already
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