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re: We have to land another star
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:41 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:41 am to Epic Cajun
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Do they look at BI as an upgrade or a downgrade?
we're talking about adding ANOTHER star. trading BI isn't part of the discussion
exchanging BI for another comparable value guy is a totally different discussion for another thread
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:01 am to Broski
Not necessarily, if Nickel and Josh Hart didn't get injured i think the Pels make the playoffs. If you can add a wing like Dinwiddie and can make a trade for a player like Buddy Hield or a shooter of his caliber then this team would be a problem.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:05 am to Tmcnair96
I find myself wondering if Nickeil, Hayes, or some combination there of can become that 3rd star we need, or if they’re just good starters. I kind of feel like we may already have the core we need, now we just need to build around them.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:08 am to Toula
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Look at the teams left sans Clippers. One super star, a great robin, and a shite ton of depth and shooters. And great coaches
exactly
Like if you start at the top, are Ingram and Zion 20 games worse than a Booker & CP3 stack?
huh. C'mon now
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:32 am to Tmcnair96
Dinwiddie is not a wing...
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:34 am to Lester Earl
Key will be the lotto. If we can sneak in a top 7 pick we can swing for the fence. Hayes, BI, and Zion are off the table for me but all other roster moves and picks are in play for a KAT, Dame or Beale.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:46 am to Soggymoss
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Bruh, Pels would be getting raped in those trades....
A. I said a framework, which means I was 100% on details
B. I really don’t think so
ETA: a lot of you guys really overvalue our own players, while undervaluing players from other teams. BI might be slightly more valuable than Anunoby, but OG is also on a cheaper contract.
As far as Sexton goes, I don’t think Kira has a ton of value as a late lottery pick, our pick this year is late lottery, and I didn’t specify because I wasn’t being super specific or wanting to argue over details (which is why I used the word “framework”) but the future pick could also be protected
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:56 am to Pistol44
quote:
If we can sneak in a top 7 pick
We can only get 1-4 or 10-12.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:58 am to TigerinATL
quote:I would guess Griffin will throw most of the warchest at Washington for Beal. However, I still doubt they take it (or he would be ok with coming to NOLA). KAT would be a real nice add, but not sure they do it unless we get top 3 in the the lotto and use that as centerpiece. Anunoby would be great fit, but do not see them trading him or FVV. That leaves players like Barnes, Hield, Siakam and Sexton. Sexton has a lot of warts and due for a contract soon. The other 3 are significantly overpaid. That is my fear. That Griff strikes out on his big swings and is so desperate that he overpays for decent players, but not real stars or needle movers.
This is the question to ask and I think the potential suspects are (in no order):
Toronto: Targets: Siakam/Anunoby/FVV. Why they'd bottom out? Siakam is clearly not a #1 and FVV and OG are good but not really cornerstones either.
Sacramento: Targets: Fox/Buddy/Barnes. Why? Even though things feel like they're coming together they still weren't good enough to make the Play In.
Minnesota: Target: KAT Why? This is Anthony Edwards' team now.
Washington: Target: Beal Why? It feels like trading Beal is an inevitability.
Cavs: Target: Sexton Why? He already seems available, the question is how well does he fit, if at all.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:00 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:There is a reason he is on a cheaper contract though compared to BI. They were both signed around the same time. I like OG, but not at the cost of BI. He is more of a very good supporting player and not a #2 IMO.
ETA: a lot of you guys really overvalue our own players, while undervaluing players from other teams. BI might be slightly more valuable than Anunoby, but OG is also on a cheaper contract.
Sexton has a year before he is due a big contract and you want to trade 2 1sts and Kira (another lottery pick) for him? He also has a reputation as a ball hog.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:02 pm to Fun Bunch
He also wants to trade for Beale.
This guy is streets behind.
This guy is streets behind.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:09 pm to Fun Bunch
Thanks, didn’t know how that works. Top 4 definitely puts Pels in play for a big fish. 10-14 and I’m making upgrades to the roster and pulling NAW off the table.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:12 pm to Lester Earl
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Like if you start at the top, are Ingram and Zion 20 games worse than a Booker & CP3 stack?
i mean they also have Ayton, who would be a 20+/10+ guy on almost any other team and Bridges
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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mean they also have Ayton, who would be a 20+/10+ guy on almost any other team and Bridges
Yea but 20/10 bigs who can’t shoot or pass can’t carry teams.
But as an ancillary piece he’s great. You don’t have to force an offense thru him or anything.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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mean they also have Ayton, who would be a 20+/10+ guy on almost any other team and Bridges
Ayton has been an defensive absolute anchor for them and is a huge part of everything they do.
I’ve been banging the drum here and on some other boards lately, we need to add talent, not neutral or slight increase. If we are trading, we need to keep Ingram and add to he and Zion.
Heck, I want to keep as much of the young talent as we can as well. Unload picks. frick em.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:35 pm to Fun Bunch
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Unload picks. frick em.
People see "unprotected pick" and think that could be top 4. But when a team's pick is unprotected they usually try like hell not to be bad. If Giannis leaves the Bucks will probably try to keep riding Jrue/Middleton to the playoffs or maybe flip them for a retool rather than a rebuild since we own their future drafts.
All of this Zion noise probably increases the value of the Warchest too, because if you're willing to bet on yourself you can throw an unprotected pick/swap in for 2024-25 where Zion would have left if he took his QO and that probably has more value than the similar bets we made on the Bucks and Lakers.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 12:38 pm to TigerinATL
If they lost to the nets i thought they might break up after next year
Them going to the conference finals is going to give them at the least another year.
Them going to the conference finals is going to give them at the least another year.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:01 pm to NOSHAU
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He is more of a very good supporting player and not a #2 IMO.
BI was a #2 on a losing team, are we sure he’s a #2?
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:12 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
BI was a #2 on a losing team, are we sure he’s a #2?
Is he? Maybe not today. Can he be? He's on the right track.
Whether he's a 2 or 3 doesn't really matter though. Fun Bunch is right, we need to add talent or else we're just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:10 pm to TigerinATL
Siakam, Buddy, Sexton, etc aren't stars. That's what kills me with this board: we need to land a star - list role players,retreads, and project players. Usually this involves trading away players that are better than what we'll receive back because someone doesn't like the player's Twitter or demeanor.
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