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re: Trade season starts: BREAKING: Lamelo to Minnesota
Posted on 6/25/26 at 1:38 pm to PELsu
Posted on 6/25/26 at 1:38 pm to PELsu
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But there’s not a lot of teams mortgaging their future for that.
Exactly why it may be worth it.
BOS: '28 swap/ '29 1st / '30 swap/ '31 1st/ '33 1st
Herb/ Poole/ Looney
PELS: Brown/ Hauser
NTMLE: Mitchell Robinson
We keep MIL '27 pick. Can add a '32 swap if needed. 3 1sts, 3 swaps, and Herb should definitely get it done IMO.
Murray/ Fears
Brown/ Hauser/ McGowens
Trey/ Bey/ Peavy
Zion/ Queen/ Karlo
Robinson/ Missi
We can give BOS (4) 1st/ (3) swaps/ Herb without giving up Trey/ DJ. I don't think teams have a better offer this offseason now that the draft is over. If we can give them everything excluding Trey/ DJ/ '27 MIL do it.
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 1:44 pm
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Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:02 pm to Dantheman504
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Exactly why it may be worth it.
BOS: '28 swap/ '29 1st / '30 swap/ '31 1st/ '33 1st
Herb/ Poole/ Looney
PELS: Brown/ Hauser
NTMLE: Mitchell Robinson
We keep MIL '27 pick. Can add a '32 swap if needed. 3 1sts, 3 swaps, and Herb should definitely get it done IMO.
Murray/ Fears
Brown/ Hauser/ McGowens
Trey/ Bey/ Peavy
Zion/ Queen/ Karlo
Robinson/ Missi
We can give BOS (4) 1st/ (3) swaps/ Herb without giving up Trey/ DJ. I don't think teams have a better offer this offseason now that the draft is over. If we can give them everything excluding Trey/ DJ/ '27 MIL do it.
This would be the final nail in the coffin of this team.
That trade would set the team back a decade.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:14 pm to Dantheman504
You’re not getting Brown without sending Trey, any trade idea for Brown without him in it would be a non starter for Boston
Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:18 pm to Soggymoss
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You’re not getting Brown without sending Trey, any trade idea for Brown without him in it would be a non starter for Boston
I agree but it is fun to think about a Herb/picks package. Because I do think Murray, Brown, Trey and Zion would win games. Assuming some semblance of center play.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:29 pm to Soggymoss
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You’re not getting Brown without sending Trey, any trade idea for Brown without him in it would be a non starter for Boston
Not if they want to get off his contract and no one is offering them a young stud or 4+ 1sts.
The teams who want to contend with Brown have shitty draft assets and trading pkayers hurts them. The teams that have the assets don't see it as worth it considering the rest of their roster and needs.
We are one of few teams that are inbetween.
Herb is worth (1-2) 1sts so you are giving them a starting value of (4-5) 1sts not including swaps.
Yes Herb, 3 1sts, 3 swaps should get it done because I highly doubt a team is offering more value than that in a very simplified trade where the players play the same positions too.
And if that doesn't work it 100% gets done with the '27 MIL pick I just don't want to trade that.
We can do it without Trey. Even if you include the MIL pick and exclude the swaps I highly doubt there's a better offer than:
Herb/ '27 MIL/ '29/ '31/ '33
"Oh no we don't have future picks"
Correct but our tradeable assets are now Zion/ DJ/ Trey/ Bey/ Brown/ Fears/ Queen/ Missi. So we lose our 1sts but can get back about 15 1sts if we blow it up.
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:34 pm to ghost2most
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That trade would set the team back a decade
What does this even mean? Set us back a decade? Compared to being a bottom 10 team for 20 years?
Posted on 6/25/26 at 3:07 pm to Soggymoss
quote:that’s correct and swapping Murphy for brown (and his contract) would be fair with only one pick or a swap going back to Boston. Remember we have to send salary as well to make a legal trade
You’re not getting Brown without sending Trey, any trade idea for Brown without him in it would be a non starter for Boston
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 4:00 pm to ghost2most
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That trade would set the team back a decade.
because teams are only good if they have draft picks?
I really don't understand peoples thinking. If the team is winning then the pick will be in the late 20s! and If the team is winning, guess what that attracts other players to come try an win too!
Fears and Queen alone will lead this team for the next decade! Teams that rely on lottery picks every year to win don't usually win.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 4:15 pm to Dantheman504
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Not if they want to get off his contract
They don’t want to just “get off his contract” though.
They want young players and picks to improve their team and depth.
Herb and expiring salary doesn’t meet that, and Boston wouldn’t take that package, not for a guy that was in the running for MVP, has been a finals MVP, and is still on the right side of 30.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 4:32 pm to Soggymoss
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They want young players and picks to improve their team and depth.
Herb and expiring salary doesn’t meet that, and Boston wouldn’t take that package, not for a guy that was in the running for MVP, has been a finals MVP, and is still on the right side of 30
What contending team is giving them a core young player and 3-4+ draft picks?
What non contending team would give up their young guys and several picks without a competent roster?
Unless a good team has a Top 10 pick to offer then the '27 MIL pick is probably the best asset in any deal. No team has a Top 10 pick to offer because the draft just happened.
You just watched teams like the Hawks, Clippers, etccc say "nah I'm good".
The only teams that can offer a better deal than us is essentially SAS/ OKC/ HOU and they'd be blowing up there already competitive roster to do it.
Give me a better package than Herb/ (3) 1st/ (3) swaps. And then give me a better package than Herb/ (4) 1st/ (3) swap with (1) pick being Giannisless MIL.
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 4:38 pm to Pelicans15
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because teams are only good if they have draft picks?
The 2 teams in the WCF have the most future picks
Posted on 6/25/26 at 4:57 pm to Dantheman504
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Unless a good team has a Top 10 pick to offer then the '27 MIL pick is probably the best asset in any deal.
Have you seen the new lottery odds? That pick now has the same value as a pick from Dallas, Memphis, Kings, Jazz etc. With the new lottery odds picks from bad teams won’t be as valuable.
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The only teams that can offer a better deal than us is essentially SAS/ OKC/ HOU and they'd be blowing up there already competitive roster to do it.
Not really.
Spurs: Fox, Johnson and however many of the 30 picks Boston wants
OKC can offer Hartenstein, Dort, Caruso and however many picks, and still have alot left
There’s also plenty more teams that can offer more than Herb, who I think you’re seriously overvaluing, and picks,
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:03 pm to Soggymoss
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That pick now has the same value as a pick from Dallas, Memphis, Kings, Jazz etc. With the new lottery odds picks from bad teams won’t be as valuable.
Only (1) of the teams are in a position to make that trade and its Ainge vs the team he left.
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Not really.
Spurs: Fox, Johnson and however many of the 30 picks Boston wants
OKC can offer Hartenstein, Dort, Caruso and however many picks, and still have alot left
Except Boston is trading the best asset so they aren't making that trade without getting the exact players they want from those organizations.
Yeah they can do it with picks but if Boston says I want Harper, Chet, etcc then it complicates things. Boston will dictate the trade.
We are pretty much a front runner excluding those 2 specific teams. I could see Detroit making a run at it.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:05 pm to Dantheman504
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There’s also plenty more teams that can offer more than Herb, who I think you’re seriously overvaluing, and picks,
The Herb evaluation is at 1-2 1sts. I'm evaluating J Brown at 5-6 1sts.
(4) 1st/ Herb/ (3) swaps is higher value than (5) 1sts. Closer to 6-7 1sts.
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:06 pm to Dantheman504
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We are pretty much a front runner
Only because we have TMIII who Boston wants….
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The Herb evaluation is at 1-2 1sts. I'm evaluating J Brown at 5-6 1sts. (4) 1st/ Herb/ (3) swaps is higher value than (5) 1st. Closer to 6-7 1sts.
But this does nothing to make their team better in the short term. TMIII, basically a trade exception in Poole, and 2 picks does more than Herb and 4 picks.
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:08 pm to Soggymoss
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Only because we have TMIII who Boston wants….
Only because we are 1 of probably less than 5 teams that have the assets to do it and would.
Even an offer from the Jazz would hurt them unless they give up no young assets.
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:11 pm to Fun Bunch
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The 2 teams in the WCF have the most future picks
Not based on a quick Google search. It says Brooklyn, okc, Memphis, cha, and Washington. Which of anything proves okc is an exception, not the rule. And we all know about Sam presti pick hoarding. So that explains that.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:12 pm to Fun Bunch
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The 2 teams in the WCF have the most future picks
Not based on a quick Google search. It says Brooklyn, okc, Memphis, cha, and Washington. Which of anything proves okc is an exception, not the rule. And we all know about Sam presti pick hoarding. So that explains that.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:31 pm to Pelicans15
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because teams are only good if they have draft picks?
I really don't understand peoples thinking. If the team is winning then the pick will be in the late 20s! and If the team is winning, guess what that attracts other players to come try an win too!
Fears and Queen alone will lead this team for the next decade! Teams that rely on lottery picks every year to win don't usually win.
find me a team that gave away that kind of draft capital for a 30 year old making $60 million and it worked out.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:44 pm to Soggymoss
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Have you seen the new lottery odds? That pick now has the same value as a pick from Dallas, Memphis, Kings, Jazz etc. With the new lottery odds picks from bad teams won’t be as valuable.
Well that’s not accurate. Our pick has essentially twice the probability of moving up. It’s way more valuable.
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