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re: The Win Now Doc Rivers Trade Thread
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:25 pm to TechTiger
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:25 pm to TechTiger
I would rather send Lonzo to Detroit for #7 and Rose > knicks. We would be a spot ahead and Rose helps get a vet PG while saving us money. This is assuming the Pistons would do it.
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:30 pm to TechTiger
To have any kind of cap space we would have to renounce everyone but Ingram. Then we would have about 7-9 million to play with (I don't see the cap dropping much if any, definitely not going to rise, but likely flatten for a few years until money is made up by the owners).
We could then use that 7-9 million in space to sign someone (think along the lines of a Evan Fournier level guy), then we would still have the room exception to sign our draft pick with. Once that contract we signed with cap space is completed, then you sign BI to his max which brings you over the cap, then you sign the other player/players with the room exception.
You can offer the contracts from day 1 of free agency, then execute (sign) them in the order needed to make it all legal moves.
We could then use that 7-9 million in space to sign someone (think along the lines of a Evan Fournier level guy), then we would still have the room exception to sign our draft pick with. Once that contract we signed with cap space is completed, then you sign BI to his max which brings you over the cap, then you sign the other player/players with the room exception.
You can offer the contracts from day 1 of free agency, then execute (sign) them in the order needed to make it all legal moves.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:37 pm to Soggymoss
Fornier will sign for double 7-9M lol
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:03 pm to Soggymoss
I’m not sure what kind of collision rules are in place regarding this, but couldn’t we have a “handshake” deal in place with Ingram to circumvent the cap? Promising the Max on any offer he received after the draft.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 5:54 am to CP3forMVP
Fournier will get around the MLE, which is in that same range.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 5:55 am to TechTiger
Yes, but either way his cap hold is still 21.6 million. It wouldn't drop to 9.5 million unless we extend a qualifying offer, which wouldn't happen
Posted on 9/30/20 at 7:22 am to Soggymoss
You think Evan Fournier will get under 10M? He has a player option for 17M. Why would he opt to take less money?
Posted on 9/30/20 at 8:22 am to brmark70816
Thinking of the wrong player, Augustin, not Fournier
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:10 am to Soggymoss
Blah, well if we had to send out JJ I think we could get a decent return for him. There are some teams with trade exceptions that would be able to take him on without sending salary back.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:21 am to brbandit
No I do not....
They don’t “want” to trade Beal, and we don’t “want” to trade Jrue.
They don’t “want” to trade Beal, and we don’t “want” to trade Jrue.
This post was edited on 9/30/20 at 9:23 am
Posted on 9/30/20 at 11:13 am to TechTiger
You're still overpaying for a 35 year old CP3
Posted on 9/30/20 at 11:24 am to Soggymoss
Well shite....I’m fine with paying less then, if the Thunder take less.
You have CP3 for two year, that’s the same timeline as Jrue before you consider any extensions. On paper, that puts the Pels as a playoff contender while still keeping future assets and flexibility.
You have CP3 for two year, that’s the same timeline as Jrue before you consider any extensions. On paper, that puts the Pels as a playoff contender while still keeping future assets and flexibility.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 11:32 am to TechTiger
Would you accept a trade where we get both John Wall and Bradley Beal?
Send Jrue to GSW, Lonzo to Knicks, JJ to Nets.
Wizards get #2, NOP '21 1st, Wiggins, Prince.
We get #8 and Dallas 21 1st. We'd be taking on $14M in salaries though, so not sure if the cap space would allow it, but it worked in the tradenba trade machine.
Does John Wall have enough negative value for them to accept something like that? He's played in 73 games in the last 4 years since singing his max extension!
I don't think i'd do it, but that might be the only way to get Beal without having to give up too too much, and Washington going full rebuild.
Send Jrue to GSW, Lonzo to Knicks, JJ to Nets.
Wizards get #2, NOP '21 1st, Wiggins, Prince.
We get #8 and Dallas 21 1st. We'd be taking on $14M in salaries though, so not sure if the cap space would allow it, but it worked in the tradenba trade machine.
Does John Wall have enough negative value for them to accept something like that? He's played in 73 games in the last 4 years since singing his max extension!
I don't think i'd do it, but that might be the only way to get Beal without having to give up too too much, and Washington going full rebuild.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 11:44 am to TeddyPadillac
I mean, if we knew that Beal and Wall could actually play together for the next three years then we would have a pretty stacked starting lineup.
It wouldn’t give us much room for quality depth, but I guess you would have to rely on your young guys for that. Hayes would have to assume a much larger role, and maybe you role with Zion and Meli in smaller lineups with Hart and NAW.
But in the NBA today you win with superstars, and I don’t know if Wall can be that anymore. We would be pretty stuck for a while during Zion’s development, and it could disrupt Ingrams future as well.
In 2K with injuries turned off, this team wins a lot of games lol
Wall/NAW
Beal/Hart
Ingram/Draft Pick
Zion/Meli
Hayes/MLE or Draft Pick
It wouldn’t give us much room for quality depth, but I guess you would have to rely on your young guys for that. Hayes would have to assume a much larger role, and maybe you role with Zion and Meli in smaller lineups with Hart and NAW.
But in the NBA today you win with superstars, and I don’t know if Wall can be that anymore. We would be pretty stuck for a while during Zion’s development, and it could disrupt Ingrams future as well.
In 2K with injuries turned off, this team wins a lot of games lol
Wall/NAW
Beal/Hart
Ingram/Draft Pick
Zion/Meli
Hayes/MLE or Draft Pick
Posted on 9/30/20 at 12:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
Overpaying for CP3 is too much and now you want to get John Wall for 43 million AND Beal? Yikes
Posted on 9/30/20 at 12:19 pm to TechTiger
Wall, Beal, BI, Zion, Hayes aren't winning shite especially with no bench.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 12:30 pm to Dantheman504
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Overpaying for CP3 is too much and now you want to get John Wall for 43 million AND Beal? Yikes
I do not want that, it was just a hypothetical that i thought would net us Beal without giving up too much, as i assumed Wall's negative value would help with that.
I want more top draft picks, like #2 this year and Minny's 21 1st, or swapping with the Knicks this year or some other way to get in the top 10 this year.
Trading Jrue to GSW is about the biggest move i'd like to see this offseason, and i won't be upset if we don't do it. What i don't want to do is not make a first round pick this year, or next year.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 12:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
We have 4 1st rd picks the next 3 years and I think we can get another one with a Lonzo trade. So you really shouldn't worry about that. We need to fill our team starting with PG and C. Then see what we want to do with JJ. Then figure out how Jrue plays in to everything. We shouldn't be going after anyone for 30+ mil unless they will be here long term and be a perfect fit for the future.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 12:55 pm to Dantheman504
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We have 4 1st rd picks the next 3 years
And none of them will be in the top 15 more than likely.
I want top picks, not late teens or worst picks.
this year and/or next year are when we need to find something worth a shite in the draft. After that, we'd be lucky to find rotation players in the draft b/c we should be 45+ win team every year after that.
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