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re: The Win Now Doc Rivers Trade Thread
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:06 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:06 pm to TigerinATL
Why would the bucks want CP3?
He’s most effective controlling the offense with the ball in his hands the majority of the time, which is exactly how Giannis plays.
It’s like CP3 playing with Lebron. Both should have the ball in their hands the majority of the time. They are underutilized if they aren’t dominating the ball all game.
He’s most effective controlling the offense with the ball in his hands the majority of the time, which is exactly how Giannis plays.
It’s like CP3 playing with Lebron. Both should have the ball in their hands the majority of the time. They are underutilized if they aren’t dominating the ball all game.
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
Because Giannis wants CP3. Allegedly.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:15 pm to TeddyPadillac
While the Bucks offense was brilliant in the regular season, they were completely shutdown in the playoffs. And without sufficient ball handlers and Playmakers, the Bucks were exposed in the half court. Giannis as good as he is, is completely 1 dimensional as he was ineffective when he couldn’t bully his way down the lane.
With Paul, Giannis will be a much better off ball option since Paul is a god at breaking down defenses in the half court and putting his teammates in position to expose whatever defensive strategies are being used.
I’m not saying that a trade will be made but I can see why a guy like CP3 benefits a team like the Bucks.
With Paul, Giannis will be a much better off ball option since Paul is a god at breaking down defenses in the half court and putting his teammates in position to expose whatever defensive strategies are being used.
I’m not saying that a trade will be made but I can see why a guy like CP3 benefits a team like the Bucks.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:15 pm to Fun Bunch
I’m not huge on Bledsoe, but if that’s all it took I’d do it in a heartbeat.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
I wouldnt compare the ball dominance of Lebron and CP3 to Giannis, especially this past year. His usage is high because he was involved in so many ways, but honestly I think he’s regressed as a handler and passer over the past few years, just off the eye test.
Also, maybe the Bucks need a CP3 type guy so Giannis stops trying to create, and starts letting someone create easy buckets for him. It’d make their team so much better
Also, maybe the Bucks need a CP3 type guy so Giannis stops trying to create, and starts letting someone create easy buckets for him. It’d make their team so much better
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:17 pm to Fun Bunch
Not what I prefer, rather go the opposite and get more assets and shoot to win in 3-4 years.
But I'll bite. Here's my F it, and win now trade. Not a cap guru, but im sure they could make it work.
With Jonathan Isaac set to miss all next season, Magic decide to tank for high pick and we go hard after Vucevic. He's perfect next to Zion. He is a plus rebounder, floor spacer, and distributor. Magic most likely look to move Gordon in this scenario and go full rebuild.
Pels send 2021 1st rounder, Jaxson Hayes, and filler to get Vucevic.
Next, Pels trade Lonzo Ball, Darius Miller, 13th Pick, and 2022 1st Rounder for Zach Lavine.
Favors and Moore walk.
Lavine
Holiday
Ingram
Zion
Vucevic
NAW/Didi
Redick
Hart
Melli
Vet minimum Center that can rebound
But I'll bite. Here's my F it, and win now trade. Not a cap guru, but im sure they could make it work.
With Jonathan Isaac set to miss all next season, Magic decide to tank for high pick and we go hard after Vucevic. He's perfect next to Zion. He is a plus rebounder, floor spacer, and distributor. Magic most likely look to move Gordon in this scenario and go full rebuild.
Pels send 2021 1st rounder, Jaxson Hayes, and filler to get Vucevic.
Next, Pels trade Lonzo Ball, Darius Miller, 13th Pick, and 2022 1st Rounder for Zach Lavine.
Favors and Moore walk.
Lavine
Holiday
Ingram
Zion
Vucevic
NAW/Didi
Redick
Hart
Melli
Vet minimum Center that can rebound
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Why would the bucks want CP3?
Desperation and lack of assets to make up for being cheap over Brogdon.
quote:
which is exactly how Giannis plays.
Giannis is a versatile player. He could easily be a finisher when paired with CP3.
quote:
They are underutilized if they aren’t dominating the ball all game.
Look at how these things normally play out. You go to Giannis with a plan of trading guys like Bledsoe for low rent, no name versions of the missing pieces that fit, or an MVP vote getter that dragged the Thunder almost as far as Giannis dragged the Bucks. What do you think Giannis would think gets him closer to what he wants? He may not be right but I think he and the team probably choose the CP3 route every time.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
Agreed, it’s more about acquisition cost. We would be converting an asset that is based on “potential” to a “win-now” asset. If both players are relatively equal, a “win-now” asset is more valuable because the desperation and motivation to acquire a “win-now” asset will always be greater than an equal valued “potential” asset.
If Lonzo has 2 years left, this is a potentially different conversation, but I don’t want to be the team that gives Lonzo 4/60+, so I’d rather trade him now. I believe Bledsoe is still a positive asset and can be helpful to the team now, as well as be included in future a trade for salary matching purposes. (Again, this is operating under the hypo that we get Doc AND avoid rebuilding moves).
If Lonzo has 2 years left, this is a potentially different conversation, but I don’t want to be the team that gives Lonzo 4/60+, so I’d rather trade him now. I believe Bledsoe is still a positive asset and can be helpful to the team now, as well as be included in future a trade for salary matching purposes. (Again, this is operating under the hypo that we get Doc AND avoid rebuilding moves).
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:31 pm to LSU4ever2002
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Zach Lavine
I understand people that are anti Bledsoe, but I am always surprised how many are pro Lavine. I think it’s clear that he is the very definition of a bad team stat-filler. I wouldn’t give up anywhere close to that much for him
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:39 pm to Baron
Agree. Would not want Lavine at all.
I guess I see y’all point about CP3 and Giannis.
I haven’t watched much of the playoffs so I didn’t see what happened to the Bucks.
I guess I see y’all point about CP3 and Giannis.
I haven’t watched much of the playoffs so I didn’t see what happened to the Bucks.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
I haven't watched much either but guys like Zach Lowe have made it sound like Giannis as lead guard wasn't good enough without a secondary creator like Brogdon to help out.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:18 pm to Fun Bunch
Lonzo and Miller to Toronto in a FVV S&T
Then try to find a way to get Harrel in another S&T without giving up JJ, Jrue or Hart, maybe a swap of Faavirs S&T for Harrel
That's 2 guys that play hard, Doc already knows Harrel, and I think Harrel loves playing for him, and Van Vleet gives us a toughness we need.
Then try to find a way to get Harrel in another S&T without giving up JJ, Jrue or Hart, maybe a swap of Faavirs S&T for Harrel
That's 2 guys that play hard, Doc already knows Harrel, and I think Harrel loves playing for him, and Van Vleet gives us a toughness we need.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 5:28 pm to Soggymoss
S&T for Gallinari. Contract in the 4/100M range. I think we have the most assests to offer. 2020 pick swap, Hayes, Ball and a future 1st..
Posted on 9/29/20 at 5:38 pm to brmark70816
I'll bite.. IF we had a plan with Jrue, JJ, and Lonzo then it would be interesting to get Galo at 4/ 80ish mil. We would not need to give up much because he can walk but I'm sure you know that. This is considering Griffin's comments about BI playing the 2.
Jrue???
BI
Gallinari
Zion
????
Just not sure what other assets we would want to target or how Jrue would fit in with this.
Jrue???
BI
Gallinari
Zion
????
Just not sure what other assets we would want to target or how Jrue would fit in with this.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 5:42 pm to brmark70816
No one gives up that much for a Sign and Trade if Danilo Gallonari, and he’s definitely not getting 100 million from anyone.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 5:50 pm to Dantheman504
Really would like to get Vucevic if that's realistic.
Magic:Miller, Hayes, Melli,and pick(s)?
Pels: Vucevic
Is a S&T with Favors possible?
Pistons: Lonzo
Pels: Rose, #7
Jrue/ Rose/ NAW
BI/ JJ/ Didi
Gallinari/ Hart/
Zion/ bring Christian Wood back??
Vucevic/ ??
Magic:Miller, Hayes, Melli,and pick(s)?
Pels: Vucevic
Is a S&T with Favors possible?
Pistons: Lonzo
Pels: Rose, #7
Jrue/ Rose/ NAW
BI/ JJ/ Didi
Gallinari/ Hart/
Zion/ bring Christian Wood back??
Vucevic/ ??
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:15 pm to Dantheman504
I'm not worried about who the starters are, we would have a big 4 of Holiday, Ingram, Zion and Gallinari. On paper, that should put us in contention.
Gallinari is a huge FA. He is looked at a missing piece for a lot of contenders. So good teams want him and OKC want assets back. Its in both interests to work out something beneficial. There will be a bidding war. Perhaps that is a bit much, but I wanted to get the deal done.
Maybe the money is too high as well. But he is a borderline all star and a respected vet. He is easily getting 20+. I just go after round numbers.
Wouldn't he make a huge impact on this team?
Gallinari is a huge FA. He is looked at a missing piece for a lot of contenders. So good teams want him and OKC want assets back. Its in both interests to work out something beneficial. There will be a bidding war. Perhaps that is a bit much, but I wanted to get the deal done.
Maybe the money is too high as well. But he is a borderline all star and a respected vet. He is easily getting 20+. I just go after round numbers.
Wouldn't he make a huge impact on this team?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:24 pm to brmark70816
You have Jrue, Gallo, Zion, Ingram and nothing else because you traded away everyone. Those 4 MAY get you into the playoffs, but you will also have the same issue we currently have, no leader.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:34 pm to Soggymoss
Still have Redick, NAW, Hart and Melli. Plus a ton of picks and ability to sign others.
Holiday is our franchise player and leader. Management has said this over and over. Fit shouldn't be an issue. Gallinari is a great compliment to Zion.
The OP is about making a leap with Doc. Gallinari had an awesome year with Doc and this would be a much better team..
Holiday is our franchise player and leader. Management has said this over and over. Fit shouldn't be an issue. Gallinari is a great compliment to Zion.
The OP is about making a leap with Doc. Gallinari had an awesome year with Doc and this would be a much better team..
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:37 pm to brmark70816
Where is Gallo playing? He had a great year last year, but played 98% of his minutes at the 4, and that’s where his future is. So unless you plan on playing Zion at the 5, after he’s shown zero signs of being able to anchor a defense so far, IDK how we would plan to defend anyone.
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