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The Win Now Doc Rivers Trade Thread
Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:23 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:23 am
I said it last night, but it seems likely that we "switch gears" a little bit if we hire Doc Rivers. TigerinATL said he thought we would not trade JJ or Jrue if we did that (I think). McNamara is saying it this morning, saying we would be "buyers".
I think there is at least a possibility that we shift gears and start the process of trading young players for veterans and look to move assets for another "star".
Look at where Doc has been: They formed a big 3 in Boston, they traded for CP3 to add to Griffin and DJ, they traded for Paul George and signed Kawhi.
I'm not saying Griffin is going to sell the farm like the Clippers did, but its highly likely we look to catapult Zion and BI into the playoffs by adding solid veterans or alternatively another "star".
So...do we keep Jrue and JJ now?
Do we look to trade 13, NAW, Hayes, Didi, future picks?
Make trades happen trading picks and young players to make us more competitive.
This thread is basically a "frick them kids" thread.
I think there is at least a possibility that we shift gears and start the process of trading young players for veterans and look to move assets for another "star".
Look at where Doc has been: They formed a big 3 in Boston, they traded for CP3 to add to Griffin and DJ, they traded for Paul George and signed Kawhi.
I'm not saying Griffin is going to sell the farm like the Clippers did, but its highly likely we look to catapult Zion and BI into the playoffs by adding solid veterans or alternatively another "star".
So...do we keep Jrue and JJ now?
Do we look to trade 13, NAW, Hayes, Didi, future picks?
Make trades happen trading picks and young players to make us more competitive.
This thread is basically a "frick them kids" thread.
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:25 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
McNamara is saying it this morning, saying we would be "buyers".
I've seen this movie before...
Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:27 am to whatiknowsofar
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I've seen this movie before...
Yeah us too.
To be clear, this is NOT the approach I want. But it might be the one we take so we can at least talk about it.
Maybe Griff/Langdon can do a good job at it instead of what Demps did. Our war chest is far greater than what Dell worked with.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:49 am to Fun Bunch
I think the biggest question is what does Doc think he can get out of Lonzo. Does he have a pitch to keep us from trading Lonzo?
Also, as I look around for more Lonzo deals I realize just how few teams probably want him. Maybe Lonzo for #8 straight up is unrealistic. If the Knicks don't do Knicks things, a more realistic version would probably be
Lonzo + #13
for
#8 + #27 + Wayne Ellington
Unfortunately I saw something yesterday about the Knicks looking at different trade up scenarios to land LaMelo. We might need LaMelo off the board early to get the Knicks to settle for Lonzo.
Also, as I look around for more Lonzo deals I realize just how few teams probably want him. Maybe Lonzo for #8 straight up is unrealistic. If the Knicks don't do Knicks things, a more realistic version would probably be
Lonzo + #13
for
#8 + #27 + Wayne Ellington
Unfortunately I saw something yesterday about the Knicks looking at different trade up scenarios to land LaMelo. We might need LaMelo off the board early to get the Knicks to settle for Lonzo.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:50 am to Fun Bunch
I do not like this
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:00 am to JohnnyKilroy
I don’t get why you can’t have vets mixed with young all stars.
This whole young assets grow together is stupid.
A good coach adds 10 wins to this team. A healthy in shape Zion gives you a few more.
Go get a versatile big that can hit an outside shot and rebound.
This whole young assets grow together is stupid.
A good coach adds 10 wins to this team. A healthy in shape Zion gives you a few more.
Go get a versatile big that can hit an outside shot and rebound.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:01 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Do we look to trade 13, NAW, Hayes, Didi, future picks?
What is that going to get you? Blake Griffin? Kevin Love? I wouldn't even do those trades for them.
The only teams that would be interested in a trade like that is a team like Detroit, that has no immediate future and an aging veteran.
any other trade for a really good player would have to involve Jrue going somewhere, like to GSW so we can get more assets to acquire a guy like Beal.
I don't mind this mindset of trying to find a guy to make this team better right now, but i'm having a hard time finding a possible big time player that's available, and that team wanting what we have to offer.
Ben Simmons is probably the only one i could think of, but we'd have to send out Jrue without a doubt, and we'd have to find someone to take Horford i'm sure too.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:01 am to JohnnyKilroy
frick it, I am down for Doc Rivers. I think he is a little stale and more of a name than a great coach, but that would prove that we are serious, on the national scale. New Orleans is still a joke franchise in regards to the rest of the league. Everyone is just waiting for Zion to leave to go to a bigger market and we will never attract good free agents. Doc helps reverse all of that.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:07 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
I do not like this
Demps was not asset rich and continually traded every future asset he could for marginal upgrades in the present.
You can focus on the present without completely mortgaging the future. Take the Lonzo trade I just threw out. You still get a good future asset in the #8 pick, a Win Now player in Wayne Ellington (a higher volume 3 point shooter to replace Moore), and you can package #27 with Miller for a young vet that's a bad fit or stuck in a logjam on another team.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:08 am to TigerinATL
I think there are two scenarios for the Knicks to get Lonzo:
1. Jrue goes to GSW and we send #2 and Wiggins/Lonzo to NYK for #8, Dallas '21 1st, and some trash, like Portis/Payton. I don't think you can be upset about trading Jrue/Lonzo for #8, Minny and Dallas '21 first, and some cap space.
2. Lonzo for pick swap this year, maybe #27 like you said or the Dallas '21 first, and trash (Ellington/Payton).
1. Jrue goes to GSW and we send #2 and Wiggins/Lonzo to NYK for #8, Dallas '21 1st, and some trash, like Portis/Payton. I don't think you can be upset about trading Jrue/Lonzo for #8, Minny and Dallas '21 first, and some cap space.
2. Lonzo for pick swap this year, maybe #27 like you said or the Dallas '21 first, and trash (Ellington/Payton).
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:34 am to TeddyPadillac
I don't think Doc would want either of those trades, which is what THIS particular thread is about. Those are for another thread.
This is about getting solid vets or stars to NOLA at the expense of some kids or assets.
This is about getting solid vets or stars to NOLA at the expense of some kids or assets.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:04 am to Fun Bunch
If we are playing this hypothetical, the obvious target is Chris Paul, right? Unless his relationship with Doc from the LAC days is just too sour. It’s difficult to make a trade for Paul without giving up JJ or Jrue, simply due to salary matching. You could do one involving the Knicks or even a 4th team and keep stepping up slightly. Maybe something like:
OKC - Jaxson Hayes, Miller, Portis, Knox, #13 (Pels), Dallas 2021 (NYK)
NYK - Lonzo, Melli
Pels - Paul
I think this works salary wise. Idk if NYK or OKC would go for it
OKC - Jaxson Hayes, Miller, Portis, Knox, #13 (Pels), Dallas 2021 (NYK)
NYK - Lonzo, Melli
Pels - Paul
I think this works salary wise. Idk if NYK or OKC would go for it
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:09 am to Baron
To me that's a lot to give up for CP3.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:10 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
This is about getting solid vets or stars to NOLA at the expense of some kids or assets.
So what teams/players fit this scenario?
Pistons - don't want Griffin
Cavs - dont' want Love
SAS - don't want ALdridge
Those are three teams that would love more draft assets and young players.
OKC - what would it take to get CP3 back? Lonzo/JJ/Miller will get you close, but i doubt OKC wants any of them, so that means Lonzo to NYK, JJ to Nets/76ers.
76ers - Simmons, you'd have to find someone to take Horford
Wizards - Beal, would require sending out Lonzo for a 1st that we could send to Wiz and giving us some cap space, and sending Washington probably 2 more firsts and someone like Hayes or NAW if they value them.
Any other trade for a big name player would require Jrue going out b/c that team would likely be a playoff team and isn't interested in young players and draft picks b/c they are wanting to win, so Jrue would have to be an upgrade for them, and that would kind of defeat the purpose of what we are trying to do.
I think going after Vucevic in Orlando would be someone we could acquire without giving up too much, but is he a guy you want next to Zion? he'll shoot threes, but he's not really a floor stretcher, nor a good rim runner off the pick, but he's been a 20/10 guy for quite some time and he's not a bad defender.
Does Harrison Barnes make us better? what would you give up to get him?
Outside of that, the Nets are probably the only team we can find some upgrades from without sending out too much.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 11:13 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:14 am to Baron
MM threw one out there we send out Lonzo and get Bledsoe back
I think that's the kind of trade they'd be looking for if they hired Doc. Something that uses a Lonzo or less asset to bring back guys that will contribute this year.
quote:
Michael McNamara @michael_stokley 1h
Trade of the Day (Doc Rivers edition)
Bucks get: Chris Paul
Thunder get: Lonzo Ball, Ersan Illysova, George Hill, DJ Wilson, #24, #42
Pels get: Eric Bledsoe
I think that's the kind of trade they'd be looking for if they hired Doc. Something that uses a Lonzo or less asset to bring back guys that will contribute this year.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:17 am to TigerinATL
That one makes a decent amount of sense for all teams. I imagine people on here won't particularly like the value for Lonzo but it makes some sense.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:34 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
I imagine people on here won't particularly like the value for Lonzo but it makes some sense.
Maybe but I hope not. Giving up 1 year of Lonzo (and the right to overpay Lonzo) + a mid 2nd for Bledsoe is a great value to me.
Bledsoe the next three years:
20/21 - 16.8m
21/22 - 18.1m
22/23 - 19.3m
19.3 the last year is more than I’d want to pay for Bledsoe, but only 3.9m is guaranteed. That gives the Pels enough flexibility the last year that they can dump Bledsoe if his play goes extremely south.
If I were the Pels, I’d take that deal. The only thing I would tweak on the trade is to try and get Hill too.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:55 am to TigerinATL
I am all the way out on any Bledsoe deals 
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:57 am to Baron
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Giving up 1 year of Lonzo (and the right to overpay Lonzo) + a mid 2nd for Bledsoe is a great value to me.
Statistically speaking Bledsoe's production accross the board is very similar to Jrue's. Here's a comparison of Jrue and Bledsoe for the last 3 years LINK
It is turning a future asset in Lonzo into a present asset in Bledsoe, but adding another Jrue is a pretty significant upgrade over Lonzo. You would hope that's enough to make you a solid playoff team and start building a culture focused on winning.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:02 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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I am all the way out on any Bledsoe deals
Same
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