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re: The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor article on Pels disappointing start and future
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:52 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:52 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I think the hole in the argument is the Adams extension. Maybe we can argue away the trade. But, the extension is him doubling down on a bad fit.
Tin foil hat:
David Griffin did not want to appear to be tanking, but he also did not want to win a lot of games, so he assembled a roster with a collection of some pretty good players on paper, but makes no absolute fricking sense as a cohesive unit that it had no chance of winning.
We still suck even though on paper it doesn't appear that we are tanking, he has veterans that can teach young guys some stuff, and if the time comes where he has to ship off all of the vets he can say "well we tried that route its time to shift even younger" after he gets his top 5 pick in a much better draft.
Tin foil hat off
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:54 pm to eyeran
Tin Foil Hat Retort:
He did not want him to expire without being able to trade him for something in the future. He's still in his 20s so extending him at only 17 mill per is much more palatable in a future trade.
As pointed out, Bledsoe and Adams combine for 35 million next year, an interesting number for a star trade.
He did not want him to expire without being able to trade him for something in the future. He's still in his 20s so extending him at only 17 mill per is much more palatable in a future trade.
As pointed out, Bledsoe and Adams combine for 35 million next year, an interesting number for a star trade.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:57 pm to eyeran
I think you can argue Griff is happy with the outcome, but I don't think this was the plan. The plan was to be competitive and Zion and Ingram to be more...conducive to winning? It's really hard for me to blame Zion and Ingram when their teammates have been so unexpectedly bad, but as I mentioned before they just aren't enough and this team needs a lead guard before it goes anywhere. Hopefully Kira is that player.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:58 pm to J_Hingle
quote:Its the worst possible system for this team.
So fix it. Pick up the pace on offense to create better looks for guys like JJ and Hart. The slower pace bs isn't helping the defense or the turnovers, like at all, so change it.
Lonzo is a "PG" that can't operate in the half court, but excels in the open court. Speeding up also allows JJ run to open spots. It allows BI to not have to play so much 1 on 1.
And maybe most importantly, it doesn't give teams a chance to get back on defense and pack the paint for Zion. We play right into defenses hands, going slow.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:59 pm to TigerinATL
How often do guards that turn out to be really, really really good stay mired on the bench in their rookie seasons?
I feel like the vast majority of the time, those guys are good immediately, and they play.
I feel like the vast majority of the time, those guys are good immediately, and they play.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:02 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Yep, a primary ball handler is needed to succeed in this league. Not sure what our plan is for landing one of those. Best path would probably be to attempt to land one in the draft.
This is a guards league and has been for a long time. You need either an elite lead guard or point forward to do anything in this league.
Our bad luck is that the two times we have hit the lottery, we have drafted generational type... big men.
All of our focus needs to be on getting that primary ball handler
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:04 pm to Epic Cajun
There are 3 pretty dang good ones potentially in this draft in Suggs, Cunningham and Duke.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:05 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I thought about this as well.
Tin Foil Hat Retort:
He did not want him to expire without being able to trade him for something in the future. He's still in his 20s so extending him at only 17 mill per is much more palatable in a future trade.
As pointed out, Bledsoe and Adams combine for 35 million next year, an interesting number for a star trade.
I just don't think Griff is that diabolical. He seems to have genuine reverence for Adams. If this was all a plot to eventually move him though, i'd salute Griff.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:06 pm to Fun Bunch
Most guards drafted in the lottery are usually handed heavy minutes from day 1 whether they are good or bad. They're allowed to play without a leash. Our guys aren't really given that opportunity. Even though NAW is finally given some consistent minutes, it feels like he's on a really short leash. Lewis isn't even allowed on the court to see what he can do. It's an unfortunate situation for these young bucks.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:08 pm to supe12sta12z
The thing is the biggest knock on SVG coming in that we talked about a bunch was that he did not play young players.
And that was 100% right.
And that was 100% right.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:09 pm to Fun Bunch
david griffin: used car salesman
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:10 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
The first 2 had mandates of "win now", which led to the team blowing their wad on overpriced vets and trading every pick they had.
we about Max'd out what we could do with CP3
injuries fricked us with AD's time here
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:11 pm to shel311
quote:
I honestly felt a little less confident in Griffin after reading this article.
quote:
There was that one part where he just flat out said he doesn't know how to know when is the right time to make the big move for a star, and that he only knew when it was NOT the right time. That wasn't terribly reassuring.
I don't find that statement to be too troubling. You can look back at any GM's track record when deciding to make the big move and it is almost a coinflip. Boston is probably screwed right now if they made any of the trades for PG13, Kwahi, or AD. Those were 3 moves that in the moment everyone said they should unload the war chest for, but they seem to have been better off by keeping Tatum and Brown.
Toronto lucked out with Kwahi and was an incredible 3ptr against 6ers from that being a bust move. Also odds probably were not in their favor to win a title if KD and Klay don't go down. It ultimately worked out for them, but if it didn't Ujiri would have started taking a lot of heat.
Griffin at some point will have to put the war chest to use but that player has to become available first. The only one on the market that this makes sense for is Beal. Washington is terrible and it is only a matter of time before they come to terms with their fate. When that time comes, Griffin better be willing and should be able to beat out every offer on the table. If he lets Beal slip away, then I will have some major doubts about Griffin.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:20 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
How often do guards that turn out to be really, really really good stay mired on the bench in their rookie seasons?
I feel like the vast majority of the time, those guys are good immediately, and they play.
This was exactly my point after the first few games when i bitched about Kira not playing.
Maxey was given the opportunity and now he plays more than 2nd year player Thybulle.
Pritchard is still getting quality minutes with Kemba's return b/c of how well he looked to start the season, while Nesmith can't find the court for the Celtics.
Halliburton isn't sitting behind Fox, he's playing with him, averaging starter minutes over there.
I said it before, if a guy can play, you find a way to get him on the court. You don't make excuses and leave him on the bench every night.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 4:13 pm to 504Voodoo
quote:
If he lets Beal slip away, then I will have some major doubts about Griffin
The only way I can see this happening is if we use some picks before to get a guy like Lavine, or if Washington is stubborn and insists they need Ingram or Zion back.
If they want a package centered around picks, then there's no way Griff is letting him get away.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 4:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I feel there's been a huge shift from last season and even early this season where Zion isn't operating out of the post much and it's mostly off the dribble now.
So......how come you have him playing the post
quote:Yea, he doesn't really have shooters to pass to, but passing is something he needs to work on that I'm confident will come in time.
All he's done is recieved the ball, put his head down and attacked the rim with no thought whatsoever to pass the ball.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:04 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
But the sad truth is that this team might not be any good yet. Williamson and Ingram need to be better defensively, but it would be foolish to put all the blame on them: The Pelicans as a whole rank a paltry 24th in the NBA on defense, with virtually the same defensive rating as last season. The roster around their young duo also requires significant changes. Perhaps too much might have been expected of a team that made its offseason decisions with an eye toward the future.
What I've been saying.
Let BI and Zion develop all season. Nothing else really matters. We will win or lose based upon how good they get this year.
Then we will swing for assets that aligns and hopefully add a stud that wants to play with them.
We are going the celtics route, etc.
Play the younguns and build your assets.
And for the record, why would this team be better after trading JRUE HOLIDAY for picks? We are NOT supposed to better this year.
We are supposed to be worse.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:18 pm to P bean
quote:
And for the record, why would this team be better after trading JRUE HOLIDAY for picks? We are NOT supposed to better this year.
We are supposed to be worse.
It’s the same with the Zion conversations, people let themselves buy into insane expectations and refused to accept anything less. Then when reality hit and predictably didn’t match their expectations, people are lashing out and scrambling for who to blame. It’s not their expectations that were out of whack, it’s everyone else that failed to live up to them that are the problem.
The warning signs were always there, some people just refused to see or acknowledge them.
People wanted to think Zion would be this generational talent les than 40 games into his career, SVG would magically solve all our problems in a month, that Bledsoe would be just as good as Jrue, spacing wouldn’t be an issue, the schedule wouldn’t be a hindrance, playoffs or bust, Ball’s hot streak had to be his new reality and not an outlier, Adams would solve all our problems and didn’t have his own liabilities, BI was a finished product, dismissed the difficulty of the schedule and the brutality of it’s toll, on and on.
If you took one or more of those positions it’s not shocking that this moment is a shock to your system, but it was always in the cards. Outside of 1 or 2 games we should have maybe won, this was always in the realm of possibilities. Offseason hype meeting regular season realities.
This is a rebuilding team that’s longest tenured player can’t even buy an alcoholic drink yet, it’s frustrating because this is the 3rd rebuild(arguably 4th of 5th depending on how you categorize the post Chandler to Ariza/Okafor, post Gordon/Evans/Ryno to Cousins period) in just over a decade or so. It’s frustrating to have to do it yet again, but honestly, every one of Griffs answers were the sort of answers and sense of awareness that we lacked every other rebuild. This was actually an incredibly reassuring article and gives me a sense Griff isn’t as clueless as popular gossip would suggest.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:37 pm to Bronc
This is why Griffin is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
If the team is primarily future oriented then why trade the 2019 4th pick
Zion, Ingram, and Hunter would have been the core to build around along with Hart on the bench.
If the team is primarily future oriented then why trade the 2019 4th pick
Zion, Ingram, and Hunter would have been the core to build around along with Hart on the bench.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:40 pm to VA LSU fan
Maybe they seen more value with dumping Hill and turning that pick into 2 picks?
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 5:41 pm
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