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The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor article on Pels disappointing start and future

Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:43 pm
Interviews Griffin and others, gives the Pelicans a little heat for their defense. It attempts to paint the future as bright with a lot of avenues of improvement, and Griffin taking the long game approach.

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But the sad truth is that this team might not be any good yet. Williamson and Ingram need to be better defensively, but it would be foolish to put all the blame on them: The Pelicans as a whole rank a paltry 24th in the NBA on defense, with virtually the same defensive rating as last season. The roster around their young duo also requires significant changes. Perhaps too much might have been expected of a team that made its offseason decisions with an eye toward the future.

“We were very intentional this offseason. If you judge our offseason by our ability to win the championship this year, we failed,” Pelicans executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin told me over the phone in December. “But if you judge our offseason over the long haul with our ability to shape the team and change the mix, we’ve got a baseline that we feel really comfortable about.”


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“Zion is so physically overwhelming in the paint that people just think he’s a freak of nature power forward, and that’s all he is,” Griffin said. “But he played point guard basically his entire life before he got to Duke. His stepfather raised him with the ball in his hand to make decisions like a point guard. He measures himself by his ability to make people better. This isn’t a kid who grew up putting himself on the post, trying to learn the Dream Shake. This was the guy who wanted to be a facilitating playmaker with the ball in his hands facing the basket.”

The Pelicans aren’t there yet, though. Griffin admitted they lack the shooting they’ll need in the future. “That’s the piece that I think takes the longest to really hone in on,” he said. For now, the surrounding pieces are there to set an example. “You don’t understand the value of real professionalism until it’s around,” Griffin said. “And then young players can buy into it and go, ‘Wow, I don’t know how I functioned before this was here.’ Steven and Bledsoe are cut from the same cloth that way.”


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Right now, however, the Pelicans don’t look quite like a team that’s one piece away. They’re a roster reshuffle, some years of growth, and another go-to option away. The biggest area of concern is one New Orleans identified in the offseason: defense. As the season was ramping up, Williamson and Ingram preached about taking on a greater leadership role by setting a strong defensive tone. But their effort has declined to levels comparable to last season, when they were two of the league’s least impactful defenders. They aren’t the only ones to blame, but as the team’s two stars, it comes with the territory.


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I asked Griffin how he knows when it’ll be the right moment to cash in his draft picks. He contrasted the unknowns in New Orleans to his experiences in Cleveland, where he oversaw the transition from an up-and-comer to a title team after signing LeBron. “I’ve never really been able to say unequivocally ‘go flip the switch.’ LeBron is the only player in the NBA whose presence alone makes you a Finals contender. So when LeBron came back to Cleveland, it was time to rock and roll,” Griffin said. “I don’t know if I do know when to flip the switch. But I know when not to. I hope that this group grows and develops in the way we anticipate and that it will become fairly obvious when we should cash in some of those chips. In the presence of a sound process, decisions often make themselves. I hope we’re able to bring that to fruition.”


I honestly felt a little less confident in Griffin after reading this article.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:45 pm to
Griffin has been a fraud from day 1.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:51 pm to
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and Griffin taking the long game approach.

I think it's NolaJake that has been saying to forget about everything else with this team and only focus on BI and Zion's growth, as that's all that matters, say, 3-4 years from now. That does make sense.

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I honestly felt a little less confident in Griffin after reading this article.

There was that one part where he just flat out said he doesn't know how to know when is the right time to make the big move for a star, and that he only knew when it was NOT the right time. That wasn't terribly reassuring.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:57 pm to
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“Zion is so physically overwhelming in the paint that people just think he’s a freak of nature power forward, and that’s all he is,” Griffin said. “But he played point guard basically his entire life before he got to Duke. His stepfather raised him with the ball in his hand to make decisions like a point guard. He measures himself by his ability to make people better. This isn’t a kid who grew up putting himself on the post, trying to learn the Dream Shake. This was the guy who wanted to be a facilitating playmaker with the ball in his hands facing the basket.”



So......how come you have him playing the post and pretty much never giving him an opportunity to be any kind of playmaker? All he's done is recieved the ball, put his head down and attacked the rim with no thought whatsoever to pass the ball.



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It may take time for Van Gundy’s mentality to be reflected on the court. But he does have a track record of success when players do buy into his approach—which is what made the Pelicans attracted to him when they went looking to fill their coaching void.


And what if they don't buy in? b/c at this point, it doesn't seem like guys are buying in with the effort we have seen lately.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:59 pm to
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I think it's NolaJake that has been saying to forget about everything else with this team and only focus on BI and Zion's growth, as that's all that matters, say, 3-4 years from now. That does make sense.



and Jaxson, and NAW, and Kira, and whoever we draft this year.
Those guys need to grow as well, whether or not they are part of the future roster.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61408 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:06 pm to
Good organizations have Ownership, Management and Coaching on the same page. In theory the Pels have that. They also have a shite ton of assets and a better foundation for success than any small market team has probably ever had. It would take almost willful incompetence to screw this up.

One thing that made me feel better reading that is that Griff seems comfortable keeping his powder dry for now. All of the Beal talk honestly makes me a little nervous. Like we'll blow our wad to become good now but use enough of the war chest to lower the ceiling in the process.
Posted by WB504
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:10 pm to
He talks as someone that has a long leash from the owner and isn’t worried about his job security.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:11 pm to
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It would take almost willful incompetence to screw this up.


well, we are off to a pretty good start in that regard.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:13 pm to
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There was that one part where he just flat out said he doesn't know how to know when is the right time to make the big move for a star, and that he only knew when it was NOT the right time. That wasn't terribly reassuring.

For me, that's more re-assuring.

Reading that article and all the quotes from Griff and SVG, Zion and Ingram are the 2 guys they are focused in on and dead set that they are the future of this franchise.

He knows when not to panic and pull the trigger on a big trade, as that would further hinder their growth. When to pull the trigger on the big trade is a little more tricky though, as you may need something different than a 3rd guy and possibly not need the big trade.

It's absolutely frustrating as a fan to see this team and lack of moves (get Ball the frick out of here), but seems like their not going to make a move just to make a move.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:14 pm to
As he should be. He didn't agree to take this job to be pressured by ownership to own today. He had a plan from day 1 and ownership is well aware of it. He's here for the long haul.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22095 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:26 pm to
We've been 3 or 4 years from contention since 2005.

2005: "The goal is Chris Paul's development..."
2012: "The goal is Anthony Davis' development..."
2020: "The goal is Zion Williamson's development..."

Fool me once. Fool me twice. Fool me three times.

"Developing stars for their next team!" A Pelicans tradition

Spare me all the BS. There's always excuses for why this team is pathetic.

There's no reason a franchise with star players for most of the last two decades should struggle to win 30 games every year. Im convinced we could've signed Lebron James and still found a way to draft mid-lottery.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14066 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:27 pm to
2 of those players times with the Pels were not like the 3rd.

The first 2 had mandates of "win now", which led to the team blowing their wad on overpriced vets and trading every pick they had.
Posted by J_Hingle
LA
Member since Jun 2013
5078 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:29 pm to
I agree but we also have to recognize that having a team with zion and BI along with the players we do have, no way in hell should be 5-10 or even a sub .500 team. I am not saying we need to "win now" by trading assets to bring in vets, but this team has the talent to compete and right now they are not doing that.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115268 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:34 pm to
Tin foil hat:

David Griffin did not want to appear to be tanking, but he also did not want to win a lot of games, so he assembled a roster with a collection of some pretty good players on paper, but makes no absolute fricking sense as a cohesive unit that it had no chance of winning.

We still suck even though on paper it doesn't appear that we are tanking, he has veterans that can teach young guys some stuff, and if the time comes where he has to ship off all of the vets he can say "well we tried that route its time to shift even younger" after he gets his top 5 pick in a much better draft.

Tin foil hat off
Posted by J_Hingle
LA
Member since Jun 2013
5078 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:37 pm to
haha. He must have guys like Lonzo, JJ, and Hart on board too because they all completely forgot how to shoot the basketball.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61408 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:40 pm to
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well, we are off to a pretty good start in that regard.


It is disappointing that Ingram and Zion aren't carrying this team better, but I think it highlights how essential a lead guard is to success these days. We've slowed the pace to a crawl and are still talking about turnovers as one of our top problems. Solve the lead guard problem and turnovers and dumb plays reduce and then everything else improves too.
Posted by Jar_Jar_80
Member since Oct 2013
1946 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:41 pm to
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team with zion and BI along with the players we do have, no way in hell should be 5-10 or even a sub .500 team


A team where Lonzo Ball is your 3rd option, where JJ is shooting like rookie Austin Rivers, Josh Hart MIA scoring wise except for 1 game, and Bled has not played up to his potential on the defensive end. Yea it's easy to see why we suck right now.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115268 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:43 pm to
This is a guards league and has been for a long time. You need either an elite lead guard or point forward to do anything in this league.

Our bad luck is that the two times we have hit the lottery, we have drafted generational type... big men.

All of our focus needs to be on getting that primary ball handler, and then guys who can shoot the fricking ball.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22095 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:48 pm to
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I agree but we also have to recognize that having a team with zion and BI along with the players we do have, no way in hell should be 5-10 or even a sub .500 team. I am not saying we need to "win now" by trading assets to bring in vets, but this team has the talent to compete and right now they are not doing that.
This.

Im not saying this team should have been winning championships. But, is being consistently competitive too much to ask? Clearing .500 unreasonable?

This is the NBA where one star player is enough to totally change your fortunes...except when they play in NOLA.


Posted by J_Hingle
LA
Member since Jun 2013
5078 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:49 pm to
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A team where Lonzo Ball is your 3rd option, where JJ is shooting like rookie Austin Rivers, Josh Hart MIA scoring wise except for 1 game, and Bled has not played up to his potential on the defensive end. Yea it's easy to see why we suck right now.


So fix it. Pick up the pace on offense to create better looks for guys like JJ and Hart. The slower pace bs isn't helping the defense or the turnovers, like at all, so change it.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 2:50 pm
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