re: The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor article on Pels disappointing start and future

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If the team is primarily future oriented then why trade the 2019 4th pick

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You're saying that like they traded #4 for a young veteran. They thought they could get similar value at 8 while picking up the #17 pick too. It was definitely a future oriented move.

It's rumored that the plan this year was to trade from 13 to 18ish and draft someone like Maxey and pick up a future 1st. I'm a huge Kira fan, but I also liked Maxey so I would not have hated Maxey and a pick at all.

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Zion, Ingram, and Hunter would have been the core to build around along with Hart on the bench.

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I see why people think that was a mistake looking at it on the surface. Hunter looks good now, but I remember Taurean Prince looking good too, until it was obvious he had a somewhat low ceiling as an older player and that his 2nd contract was going to making him go from rookie scale value to over paid. People think OG Anunoby is overpaid now.

The list of decent 3 and D wings that got paid so much they were eventually dumped by the team that drafted them, guys like Barnes and Porter, keeps getting longer. It's really kind of funny. It's a position that's at such a premium you often can't buy a halfway decent one if you need one, but if you have one you're probably paying too much if he's not on a rookie deal or max deal.

Everyone thinking not drafting DeAndre Hunter was a mistake, fast forward 4 years. If he's just ok and making a good bit more than the MLE, and maybe because of that he's on another team, was it a good pick?

There are a lot more Prince's than Brogdons.

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t’s not their expectations that were out of whack

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What exactly is out of whack about expecting guys like Zo, Hart, and Redick to not play nearly as bad as they have?

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I mean correct or not(and I agree with you on the better pick FYI) Griff and Co. truly believed the combo of NAW + Hayes was superior to his other options

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I don’t know what culture they’re doing to pick these kids honestly. I’m not a fan of guys who doesn’t care about losing. It leaves a bad taste in our mouth when kids post their outfit or highlights after a blowout. Instead of being pissed and trying to improve. Only guys who seem to care is our superstars and it’s ridiculous how SVG calls them out against everyone.



Guys like Alex Caruso means more to teams than Kyle Kuzma imo.

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NAW cares. And he plays hard. You can see the intensity, and that's why I'm very optimistic about NAW in the long term.

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Not the last game. But I feel like everyone felt defeated on that game and jus wanted to end the road games. It’s all on coaching too. SVG needs to prepare them and he’s doing a horrible job at it. NAW got flashes but he needs to pass more and not get tunneled vision. He works great with Kira though.

We went all in a bunch of time with AD and it left us with no picks and a shitty team.

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Zion is 16-22 in his first 38 games. Other guys records in their first 40:

Durant: 9-31
LeBron: 13-27
Steph: 12-28

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And were any of them playing alongside a max player who is 23 and made the allstar team last year?

Durant's 2nd best player: 1 year away from retirement Wally Szczerbiak
Lebron's 2nd best player: 2nd year Carlos Boozer, or maybe Ricky Davis
Steph's 2nd best player: Monta Ellis, good player, but he wasn't a max player allstar like BI is. They were bad for 3 years with Steph and Monta. That 4th year was Klay's 2nd year and Barnes/Draymonds rookie year, and they won 47 games, and then the rest is history after that.


I'm still fine with not being a playoff team this year and having some troubles this year. Yes i'd like to be around .500, but it's fine if we are a bit under it and you can see the developement of our young players games, but none of that is happening at the moment. I said it before, i'd like to make the playoffs in year 2 of Zion, but it's not an expectation. Year 3 is an expectation to make the playoffs. Year 4 should be winning 50+ games for the foreseeable future. If we can't follow that path, then either BI/Zion aren't that good, our coach really sucks, or Griffin has done a poor job to help his two stars out.

BI is.
But i said it in the offseason that i thought the GSW offer for Jrue with us getting Wiggins wouldn't be that bad. He's getting older, got married and had a kid, and seems to be maturing, and the pressure of not being the main guy would make him a better player. Could have taken Patrick Williams at 2, but i'm sure Griff would have fricked this up. Hell we could have traded Lonzo and #2 to the Knicks for #8 and their next 3 unprotected firsts probably, and drafted Deni at 8.
But he makes a lot of money for his production was the excuse, which if we are all young, who gives a shite. We aren't attracting FA's anyway, and his contract lines up with Zion's. I would have rathered the #2 pick in the draft than Bledsoe and 2 Bucks first. I argued many times that there had never not been at least 1 allstar in the top 3 of any draft this century. That is a probability we should have taken advantage of.

Is Wiggins being asked to lead his team?