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The Pros and Cons of Hiring Ainge's Right Hand Man

Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:42 pm
Posted by Crewz
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:42 pm
I would put it at 85% that AD will be traded to Boston. And it will be a move that will set the course of our franchise for the next decade. Maybe more.

With that in mind, I want this thread to be about the pros and cons of hiring Danny Ainge's current right hand man, Mike Zarren, to be the one to negotiate that trade.

There are pros and cons. Nuances. I am curious to hear your opinions on it.
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:43 pm to
If the Germans had hired Patton, they may have won the war.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:45 pm to
I mean obviously if we hire Zarren and he turns around and gives Boston 75 cents on the dollar then that wouldn't be ideal.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:46 pm to
C'mon.... lets get a little more in depth than this. I give you guys an opportunity to essentially write out a detailed pro and con article with nuance and this is what I get back??

Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:46 pm to
Boston respect him too much to play that game with him. Zarren would get a fair deal from Ainge imo.
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:46 pm to
But that would be like leaving your wife for another woman and then cutting off part of your dick to give to the ex-wife.
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:47 pm to
While I think there are -- nominally -- pros and cons I don't think any would materially impact a potential deal. Perhaps on a subconscious level Zarran might inadvertently not exact every last bit of value he could. On the other hand, perhaps quite the opposite and he would be even more demanding given the situation -- especially given his knowledge of hypothetical offers the Celtics have almost certainly been working on in planning to acquire Davis.

That said, any past loyalty he would have to the Celtics would obviously take a massive back seat to the fact that he would be the one running the show in New Orleans. I'm sure he would ultimately rather be POBO of the Celtics (and that might be a reason he turns the Pels down if offered), but if installed as POBO of the Pels then... well... this is why you're in business: to reach the top of the profession. And how you perform defines your entire career/life.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 5:56 pm
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:52 pm to
Biggest pro: He knows how much Danny values each asset. Danny can’t really bluff him.

Biggest Con: he may approach the negotiation with a foot on both sides trying to make a fair trade instead of the most he can get.

It’s 6 on a Friday. I’ll provide more thoughts later.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 5:53 pm
Posted by BigSinna
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Member since Apr 2018
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:53 pm to
I will need someone with deeper NBA insights to explain the cons.

The only way Zarren can be the right man for this job is if there is ZERO doubt regarding his ability to orchestrate the absolute best outcome of the AD trade.

There is no way Gayle's team of advisors would recommend Zarren with even the smallest shred of doubt regarding this debate.

Its the first major task the new GM will be faced with, but more importantly, its the move in which the future of the Pels success hinges.

I know I sidestepped your question, but I cant fathom Zarren being the man if theres doubts about his ability to hit a homerun with this trade.
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:53 pm to
Pro- he's probably been in discussions with Ainge on potential AD packages. So he knows what Ainge will pay and how he values AD
Pro- He knows the value and potential of all the Boston assets better than anyone.

Biggest con- he might be afraid to go for the it all.

Posted by purplepylon
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:55 pm to
Well you could look at it a few ways. If you go and hire away Ainge’s boy, is he happy for him getting a promotion with another team or is he bitter that we took him. If he is genuinely happy for the dude then I think we can benefit from a potential Boston trade. But we had better make sure this guy is all in with us and not a pseudo double agent for the Celts trying to screw us.
Then there’s the possibility Ainge isn’t thrilled with us taking the dude and he low balls us throughout negotiations. Does this dude fall for it or tell his old boss to screw off.
When you get a guy from an organization that you’re about to trade with it’s all a little fishy to me honestly. I go somewhere else, we can’t screw this up
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12723 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:56 pm to
Pro - Jayson Tatum by himself is better than the entire Lakers package

Con - Jaylen Brown and picks is not better than the Lakers package imo, and it certainly isn’t better than #2-3 in 2019 and more from NYK.

It’s Tatum or nothing from Boston for me. Increasing the likelihood of a potential Tatum-less Boston deal because he overrates the talent he’s been around for years is no bueno.

I don’t see how hiring a Boston guy helps us in the AD negotiations. Ainge isn’t going to give him a better deal cause he has a relationship with him.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61512 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:59 pm to
I think the pros outweigh the cons. I wouldn't pick him just to negotiate the trade, but I wouldn't let Boston being the likely trade partner keep you from hiring Zarren.

Pros

- Neither side will play games or try to screw each other, a fair deal should be pretty easy to reach.
- Zarren will know the dirty little secrets like if they have the beginnings of a stress fracture in their foot Jrue Holiday style.
- Zarren will know how to value Boston's assets and do a better job of picking Smart over Brown or Brown over Smart. See CP3 trade where hind sight says maybe they should have gone with Bledsoe instead of Lemonhead.


Cons

- Zarren won't try to screw Ainge. The Pels arguably have the leverage in a situation with multiple bidders. Will Zarren ask Ainge for what's reasonable or squeeze him for everything he knows he'll give up?
- Zarren will be biased towards the Boston package. This probably only matters if someone else is offering a non Zion top 3 pick, but I assume Zarren would give the benefit of the doubt to the Boston assets he knows well.
Posted by BigSinna
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Member since Apr 2018
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:09 pm to
quote:


Cons 

- Zarren won't try to screw Ainge. The Pels arguably have the leverage in a situation with multiple bidders. Will Zarren ask Ainge for what's reasonable or squeeze him for everything he knows he'll give up? 
- Zarren will be biased towards the Boston package. This probably only matters if someone else is offering a non Zion top 3 pick, but I assume Zarren would give the benefit of the doubt to the Boston assets he knows well



If you were an advisor to Gayle, and these cons were still unanswered (you have yet to debunk them as potential steering currents in the trade), would you give a go to hiring Zarren?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61512 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:17 pm to
I'm probably not the best person to answer that question. I don't follow college enough to know if the players available 2nd or 3rd are worth turning down a Tatum package for.

I also have no desire to squeeze every asset out of Boston. I would consider "Tatum/Smart/Sac Pick/Memphis Pick/Future Boston Pick" both good and fair and would take that deal if offered. I imagine squeezing Boston would probably get you Brown and another pick. That would be a fantastic haul but I probably would say yes without hesitation to the first package and never get to the squeezing. What I want out of an AD to Boston trade makes me comfortable with Zarren's likely biases.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 6:20 pm
Posted by LosLobos111
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:19 pm to
#2 pick and Ja Morant is the only other non Zion pick I'd consider
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:42 pm to
I think it's fair to be concerned about zarren's tires to Boston, but at the same time I just don't believe a guy given the chance to run the show would even consider "botching" the trade by giving AD for less than fair value. How's that gonna look on his resume when Ainge hangs it up and the public perception is that he did a sweetheart deal with his old boss against the interests of the team he works for.

I'm not an boston's owner, but to me, I feel like that move, even it was to my benefit would show that he's a guy that doesn't put his team's best interest first.

Just seems like it'd be a massive risk for him career wise for him to pull such a move. Especially when he'd be under such a microscope early on and especially during any AD deal.

I think a guy like Zarren is too smart to try to pull that kind of move.
Posted by Pelibeast
Member since Jun 2017
97 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:43 pm to
Let’s start by saying that I try my best to not make the decision of hiring or not hiring him based on how one move is affected even though it’s probably the biggest move he will make. We need to hire the person with best long term vision for the culture of the organization. Putting that aside let’s consider pros and cons w Boston trade.

Pros: He will have a better read on the daily habits of each player involved. He will know what Ainge is thinking better than anyone else. He comes from a winning organization that rebuilt through collecting assets over a long period of time.

Cons. Ainge will know what he is thinking better than anyone else. He may have a hard time breaking the bias of projecting a player in the Boston team as opposed to projecting them taking on a much bigger role in a vastly different environment.
Posted by Stxpel
Member since Oct 2018
118 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:55 pm to
He wouldn’t sell the pels short due to some loyalty to the celts. He’d be sabotaging his career.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70910 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:58 pm to
quote:

C'mon.... lets get a little more in depth than this. I give you guys an opportunity to essentially write out a detailed pro and con article with nuance and this is what I get back??



You have to provide a topic that allows for nuance. This ain't it, champ.
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