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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 5/23/24 at 2:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 5/23/24 at 2:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
I'd like to get back Sexton and Kessler, but i'd move Collins to a 3rd team. Move him to Charlotte for Nick Richards.
I'd also much rather Dejounte Murray than Sexton. Sexton is really more of a scorer than a PG, where as I see Murray being able to be more of a PG with us while having the ability to score.
What is too high? As i've said before, i'm not trading Herb in that deal b/c i need him to pair with Trae, but there they can have whatever picks they want, i do'nt care abou them.
I'd also much rather Dejounte Murray than Sexton. Sexton is really more of a scorer than a PG, where as I see Murray being able to be more of a PG with us while having the ability to score.
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and if ATL's price for Trae is too high
What is too high? As i've said before, i'm not trading Herb in that deal b/c i need him to pair with Trae, but there they can have whatever picks they want, i do'nt care abou them.
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Posted on 5/23/24 at 2:19 pm to Soggymoss
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Yeah, I don’t see Collins as a negative asset, didn’t see him as one in Atlanta and I was hoping we would trade for him to be our closing 5 then.
37% on 3’s, 8.5 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, that’s the exact type of closing 5 we’ve been begging for next to Zion.
Yeah, Collins may or may not be a negative asset in terms of salary, but in terms of his play on the court, I think he's a clear upgrade over Larry.
And Kessler doesn't offer much offensively in the halfcourt, but he can be a vertical threat and is the guy we've wanted defensively for shotblocking and rebounding. And who knows? Maybe Fred Vinson can teach him to shoot.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 2:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
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i'm not trading Herb in that deal b/c i need him to pair with Trae, but there they can have whatever picks they want, i do'nt care abou them.
Absolutely agree. At this point, it's time to make a move, trade whatever picks you need to.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 2:23 pm to ghost2most
quote:Not if just one of Garland, Murray or Trae are available for a BI trade.
I disagree. I think that's a fair trade
Posted on 5/23/24 at 2:51 pm to Fun Bunch
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But you're still trading 3 Quarters for a dollar it seems
And this woukd be the case so, Utah would win the trade. You have to get someone back on BI’s level. Only ones I’ve seen kicked around so far are Trae and maybe Murray.
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:06 pm to shel311
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Not if just one of Garland, Murray or Trae are available for a BI trade.
Just my opinion but I think the Utah trade proposed would have more value than Garland and Murray.
The way I look at it:
Sexton: Value of a 1st
Kessler: Value of 2 1sts
Collins: Value of a protected 1st
Garland and Murray IMO would net no more value than 2 1st rounders with salary matching.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:18 pm to Soggymoss
Not discussed yet, but I don't really see an angle where Ainge would even want BI
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:22 pm to shel311
The only angle(s) I could see are
1) (less likely) He would see Ingram as a good co-star to Lauri as they operate in different zones and Ingram is capable of facilitating
2) He would see Ingram as a “name” player that would be more likely he could flip with his umpteen picks to get a superstar
I think Detroit will be the landing spot for Ingram though, after their last few seasons he is a name player they can sell to their fanbase, even if they have to overpay to get him.
Washington and Charlotte would be my other two best guesses
1) (less likely) He would see Ingram as a good co-star to Lauri as they operate in different zones and Ingram is capable of facilitating
2) He would see Ingram as a “name” player that would be more likely he could flip with his umpteen picks to get a superstar
I think Detroit will be the landing spot for Ingram though, after their last few seasons he is a name player they can sell to their fanbase, even if they have to overpay to get him.
Washington and Charlotte would be my other two best guesses
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:28 pm to shel311
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Not discussed yet, but I don't really see an angle where Ainge would even want BI
Maybe you get a 3 teamer going with someone like Detroit and send them more picks. But I hate trades like this because you're getting dimes and nickels back for a quarter. And as we can see with there being hardly anything left of the Lakers trade, dimes and nickels fade fast, and it takes a lot of them to get a quarter back in return.
If we get a lesser return for BI now, we are essentially committing to Zion plus good fitting role players as the construction of this team. I get why people would think that's an improvement over the current situation, but it's a gross mismanagement of assets akin to blowing the #4 pick.
They must aim higher even if they over pay. It's clear nobody views the Pels picks as quarters or Fox would probably be on the team instead of CJ. Don't pass up getting a quarter back for BI because you wanted to cling to some dimes that are going to evaporate anyway.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:31 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Agreed
But I hate trades like this because you're getting dimes and nickels back for a quarter
We need to get back the best possible player imo.
Just accumulate the best players you can, we have bench/rotation dudes.
Use BI to get a Murray/Garland/Trae type.
Then use CJ plus whatever combo of picks and/or Hawk/Dyson/Herb to get the next best possible player at the deadline or next offseason.
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:35 pm to TigerinATL
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Maybe you get a 3 teamer going with someone like Detroit and send them more picks
I doubt Utah is interested in more picks. they already have too many as it is.
and i doubt Detroit is interested in giving away a bunch of picks, as they have no extra picks.
Detroit is a team that has not a single thing i'd want in a BI trade.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:39 pm to shel311
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se BI to get a Murray/Garland/Trae type.
Then use CJ plus whatever combo of picks and/or Hawk/Dyson/Herb to get the next best possible player at the deadline or next offseason.
That's where I've been at this whole time.
and while i'd like to make the big change and trade both this offseason, i'm ok keeping CJ to start the season and waiting for that right opportunity to use him in a trade at the deadline, but we really can't wait much longer with him as we only have him under contract for 1 more year after this one. Trading him next offseason as an expiring won't have as much value.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:52 pm to TigerinATL
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If we get a lesser return for BI now, we are essentially committing to Zion plus good fitting role players as the construction of this team. I get why people would think that's an improvement over the current situation, but it's a gross mismanagement of assets akin to blowing the #4 pick.
I would rather trade BI and 4 first round picks for Trae than do this proposed trade with Utah
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:24 pm to Epic Cajun
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I would rather trade BI and 4 first round picks for Trae than do this proposed trade with Utah
i'm with you. I know that sounds crazy, and on paper the value might be better getting back Sexton/Kessler/Collins than giving up 4 firsts for Trae, but that one guy is so so so important. There are no amount of 1sts that i care about if we were getting back that guy.
That guy consists of Trae, Mitchell, and a few others that might not seem available at this time but are behind closed doors.
For instance, what are the Kings doing? are they goign to keep moving forward with Fox and making draft picks hoping to get better? To me they either need to go all in this offseason and make a trade for a 2nd guy to play with Fox, or they might as well start a rebuild and get everythign they can for Fox. IF that was the case, i'd gladly give them, or go get whatever they want, to trade BI for Fox.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 6:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If tweet fails to load, click here. I don't want a trade with Detroit except in certain 3 team trades, but its good that this perception is already out there to help push up BI's price.
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 5/23/24 at 6:41 pm to TigerinATL
Shamit thinks we have less of a chance of trading BI to Detroit because of the Trajan hire now.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 6:44 pm to Macintosh
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Shamit thinks we have less of a chance of trading BI to Detroit because of the Trajan hire now.
He doesn't have to want BI, he just has to be willing to look like he's interested as a solid to his old team, which does happen.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 7:31 pm to shel311
There is something we need to remember. This past year.
Depth means squat when it comes down to it.
Great players win and get you to win in the playoffs. If you don’t have them you won’t.
Depth means squat when it comes down to it.
Great players win and get you to win in the playoffs. If you don’t have them you won’t.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 8:08 pm to Fun Bunch
I agree. With Zion and the uncertainty with his health from year to year, you absolutely need to come out of any major trade you make with a guy who can carry the team when the injury bug hits.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 9:41 pm to Fun Bunch
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Depth means squat when it comes down to it.
That’s why I don’t want to trade BI for 3 dimes. Trade him for a dollar even if it means you have to send out multiple picks.
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