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re: The Official NBA Free Agency/Offseason Thread Update: MITCHELL TO CLE
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:47 am to Dantheman504
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:47 am to Dantheman504
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Brunson is better than anyone on the Spurs
No he is not.
Dejounte Murray was a borderline allstar two-way guard that almost averaged a triple double, get outta here with that silliness.
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The Hawks drafted John Collins so you are actually half special if anyone on the Spurs is ranked higher than him.
Meanwhile the Hawks just gave up several firsts to get the guy the Spurs drafted and cant find a buyer for Collins. The market has spoken
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Celtics players actually helped them move the needle.
Name me the player they drafted from 2016-2021 that is a better player than Murray? Lets start there.
then remind me who the Celtics made a key trade for mid season to bolster their bench and was a key contributor on their run?
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Pels? Jose, Trey, and Herb aren’t comparable to the Spurs drafts??
Love Trey, love Herb, love Jose, but since 2016 the Spurs take this of the strength of Murray alone. We'll see going forward, Pels hopefully turned a new leaf starting last year with their drafting. I'm a believer.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 9:49 am
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:48 am to Boomshockalocka
This might be one of the worst trolls I’ve seen on here. Yeah you might piss some people off but everyone knows the Spurs are the worst team in the NBA going forward. Including this jackass.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:50 am to Dantheman504
They are in terrible shape. Their only hope is to bottom
Out and land a Ja or Zion franchise altering player.
Out and land a Ja or Zion franchise altering player.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:56 am to Bronc
So your argument to me saying the Hawks have better picks is that the Spurs traded their best drafted player to them?
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 9:57 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:58 am to Dantheman504
You are way too aggressive with how you respond. Why can't you debate and make points without such harsh language? It's unnecessary and removes the desire to go back and forth with you. You arent winning, just driving people away..
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:59 am to Bronc
I’m confused now. We can take out Dallas/ Brunson and Murray if we are talking about drafted players still on the teams roster. That still leaves 8 teams outside of the lottery with better draft picks.
The argument is about the Spurs draft class and their future. You can’t use Murray, Ginobli, Parker, Kahwi, Duncan, or their “20 year playoff run” to justify how trash they will be for the next decade.
The argument is about the Spurs draft class and their future. You can’t use Murray, Ginobli, Parker, Kahwi, Duncan, or their “20 year playoff run” to justify how trash they will be for the next decade.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:03 am to Dantheman504
The Spurs seem to be building a poor man's version of the Championship Pistons. Their roster is all pretty good players, but they are devoid of elite talent required to compete in the modern NBA
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:04 am to brmark70816
Johnson may average 20, but it’s only bc they have no one else. And will be a bottom feeder team. Even the worst team in the league will score 100 pts a night. It is the nature of the game. Someone will put up points. I remember Darren collision as a rookie on the pels averaged like 18/11 assists for over half a season. Someone has to get those numbers.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:07 am to Dantheman504
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everyone knows the Spurs are the worst team in the NBA going forward.
The debate has nothing to do with that.
The contention was whether the Spurs, in Boom's words, "They don't draft well"
They do, we can argue whether they have been the 5th or 6th, or 7th best drafting team when picking in the mid teens and later since 2016, but they have not been "bad" by any means.
It's not their scouting department that has the team where it's at. It's the Kawhi trade and years of being unwilling to bottom out and scoop up some top 10 talent to build back up their roster.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:10 am to Dantheman504
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The argument is about the Spurs draft class and their future.
The argument is that the Spurs are bad at drafting, no one is arguing that the Spurs are good going forward (well maybe bmark, but whatever). You can absolutely use players like Murray in an argument that the Spurs are better at drafting than teams like Dallas and Atlanta. Atlanta just traded their future draft picks for Murray knowing they will have to pay him more than they paid Collins, they can't get off of Collins. I'd say that answers the question about who is better of the two.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:11 am to saints5021
This is going to be their issue.
Much like the Raptors and the 2004 Pistons, they have their base team constructed but they will need extra parts to put them over the top.
Their hope in tanking this year is likely to get a future superstar on a rookie contract, but that is subject to the whims of the lottery and the depth of the talent pool.
Much like the Raptors and the 2004 Pistons, they have their base team constructed but they will need extra parts to put them over the top.
Their hope in tanking this year is likely to get a future superstar on a rookie contract, but that is subject to the whims of the lottery and the depth of the talent pool.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:11 am to Boomshockalocka
I apologize. I didn't mean to derail the thread.
I just do not see how the Spurs are the worst team or the worst organization.
They have top 5 ownership and coaching (up and down).
They have a clean cap sheet with no bad contracts.
They own all of their future picks and several additional over the next few years.
They have a good (not great) group of young talent that is ascending and should be solid in the next few years.
I see a team in rebuild that should be complete in 1-2 years. It's not the worst team in the league or the most dire situation IMO. I don't even know if they can tank into the top 4 into the next draft.
Do you think they will be bottom 3 this coming season?
I just do not see how the Spurs are the worst team or the worst organization.
They have top 5 ownership and coaching (up and down).
They have a clean cap sheet with no bad contracts.
They own all of their future picks and several additional over the next few years.
They have a good (not great) group of young talent that is ascending and should be solid in the next few years.
I see a team in rebuild that should be complete in 1-2 years. It's not the worst team in the league or the most dire situation IMO. I don't even know if they can tank into the top 4 into the next draft.
Do you think they will be bottom 3 this coming season?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:14 am to brmark70816
The battle for the bottom is just as competitive as the battle for the top. But no doubt spurs will be one of the worst teams along with Utah once the trade Mitchell. OKC and HOU may also find their way into that mix but OKC Should be too good to tank.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:14 am to Epic Cajun
That’s fair I agree. I was looping this in with Bmark comments of the Spurs going forward along with their recent draft classes.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:15 am to brmark70816
I would bet on the Spurs finishing last in the Western Conference this season.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:20 am to GOP_Tiger
Probably not far off from there if they don’t bottom out.
The other 9 playoff and playin teams in the west are all above them.
Kings should be above them.
Portland should be above them.
Lakers are above them if LeBron and AD don’t miss half the season. Even then, still probably above them.
Question is to whether OKC and Houston are above them. Both have a lot of talent but may not put it together yet.
The other 9 playoff and playin teams in the west are all above them.
Kings should be above them.
Portland should be above them.
Lakers are above them if LeBron and AD don’t miss half the season. Even then, still probably above them.
Question is to whether OKC and Houston are above them. Both have a lot of talent but may not put it together yet.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:21 am to GOP_Tiger
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would bet on the Spurs finishing last in the Western Conference this season.
Done and done. I will bookmark and we can revisit at the end of the season.
I think people said the same thing last year. I kept harping on them having a top 10 backcourt and would be a playin threat (which they ended up making). I believe Johnson and Vassell are even better and have a higher upside. So we will see...
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:23 am to brmark70816
They easily have the most underwhelming roster in the NBA. The west is also stacked this year. Every team in the west got better this year except the Lakers, Jazz, Spurs, Mavericks?, Suns?
Out of those teams only 1 of them does not have an all star caliber player and 2 of them didn’t make the playoffs.
Out of those teams only 1 of them does not have an all star caliber player and 2 of them didn’t make the playoffs.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:23 am to brmark70816
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I see a team in rebuild that should be complete in 1-2 years. It's not the worst team in the league or the most dire situation IMO. I don't even know if they can tank into the top 4 into the next draft.
Do you think they will be bottom 3 this coming season?
I think they will be a bottom 3 team this season. I get that you're optimistic about them, but name 5 teams that will be worse than them next season
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:26 am to GOP_Tiger
They are very well positioned for it
Draft smoothing means no guarantee of anything, and as much of a broken 2k Create-A-Player Wembanyama looks like, his height has a really poor track record in the league(like literally no one has not had a shortened, debilitating career at his height), but Hou and OKC are likely to be just good enough to really not bottom out. Utah comes down to Mitchell being traded.
Spurs should be in position to pick top 5ish for the next 2-3 seasons and I think that should get them to a solid foundation if guys like Keldon Johnson, Vassell, and Sochan show continued growth.
Draft smoothing means no guarantee of anything, and as much of a broken 2k Create-A-Player Wembanyama looks like, his height has a really poor track record in the league(like literally no one has not had a shortened, debilitating career at his height), but Hou and OKC are likely to be just good enough to really not bottom out. Utah comes down to Mitchell being traded.
Spurs should be in position to pick top 5ish for the next 2-3 seasons and I think that should get them to a solid foundation if guys like Keldon Johnson, Vassell, and Sochan show continued growth.
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