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Posted on 8/9/22 at 10:11 am to CP3forMVP
quote:Probably but the irony is not lost on me there with the slip up
I assume that's supposed to say "the leadership of Sean Marks and Steve Nash?"
Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:17 pm to shel311
Isn't Marks a Popovich guy?
He did a solid rebuild with little assets. So I never thought he was really into the whole superteam thing. Just hard to say no. Is he secretly hoping to offload all of this and build his own way?
He did a solid rebuild with little assets. So I never thought he was really into the whole superteam thing. Just hard to say no. Is he secretly hoping to offload all of this and build his own way?
Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:23 pm to brmark70816
Marks has made a lot of comments about culture over talent this summer, which apparently have sand in KD’a vagina.
Between the lines, that is Marks saying “I’d rather have a lineup of Dinwiddie, Allen, Russell, etc, then these whiny bitches.” And he is right to do so IMHO.
While that team may not have been a title winner immediately, they could have built within that culture to make a winner rather than jettisoning parts to get KD and Kyrie, then clearing cap space to sign DeAndre Jordan’s overpaid arse.
Between the lines, that is Marks saying “I’d rather have a lineup of Dinwiddie, Allen, Russell, etc, then these whiny bitches.” And he is right to do so IMHO.
While that team may not have been a title winner immediately, they could have built within that culture to make a winner rather than jettisoning parts to get KD and Kyrie, then clearing cap space to sign DeAndre Jordan’s overpaid arse.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:29 pm to shel311
quote:
Kyrie: “I don’t really see us having a head coach. You know what I mean? KD could be a head coach. I could be a head coach.”
Imagine Kyrie being a player coach. I can't think of a player in the NBA I'd rather not have as a coach. Are there any NBA players that don't speak English? Then maybe that guy.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:37 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Some of these guys are American and can barely speak English.
Being anointed as a future star while in middle school means that you aren’t expected to do your part in the classroom.
Being anointed as a future star while in middle school means that you aren’t expected to do your part in the classroom.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:10 pm to teke184
On a positive note, it does appear that the younger up and coming generation is learning from the failures of the Lebron/KD era and you don't see nearly the same level of brazen sense of superiority and entitlement in all things basketball.
It's not perfect, you still have Doncic fighting with coaches and such, but thats gonna happen.
However, you look across at Ja, Zion, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, BI, Trae, and you don't see that player/coach/GM "I know better than all of you cause I can score good" mentality. There seems to be a genuine respect and understanding that GM's and coaches serve a vital role and that thinking you should be the kingmaker in all things basketball with your team doesnt work well. Player's might demand a trade or to go a different direction, but I dont really see any budding KD/Kyrie/Lebron/Harden's right now.
It's not perfect, you still have Doncic fighting with coaches and such, but thats gonna happen.
However, you look across at Ja, Zion, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, BI, Trae, and you don't see that player/coach/GM "I know better than all of you cause I can score good" mentality. There seems to be a genuine respect and understanding that GM's and coaches serve a vital role and that thinking you should be the kingmaker in all things basketball with your team doesnt work well. Player's might demand a trade or to go a different direction, but I dont really see any budding KD/Kyrie/Lebron/Harden's right now.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:27 pm to Bronc
I think some of this is watching how shitty everything has played out for a lot of these guys.
OTOH, they also see guys like Giannis who won it all in a small market and guys like Dame and Beal who are loved in their markets and making a shite ton of money.
Being themselves and succeeding is probably going to end a lot better than trying to re-create the career paths of guys like LeBron.
OTOH, they also see guys like Giannis who won it all in a small market and guys like Dame and Beal who are loved in their markets and making a shite ton of money.
Being themselves and succeeding is probably going to end a lot better than trying to re-create the career paths of guys like LeBron.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:43 pm to teke184
Winfield noted that the Pels could offer a trade that checks those boxes with the inclusion of a former All-Star in Brandon Ingram, plus Herbert Jones, Devonte' Graham, Jose Alvarado and draft picks acquired as part of previous trades with the Los Angeles Lakers and Milwaukee Bucks.
frick off
Really sucks to hear that we are trying to throw Herb Jones and BI in the trade for KD. Either make the trade straight up for BI or stop fricking talking about it.
This will destroy what’s been built just talking about. I’m not giving up anything more than BI straight up for 2-3 years of a 34 year old KD.
frick off
Really sucks to hear that we are trying to throw Herb Jones and BI in the trade for KD. Either make the trade straight up for BI or stop fricking talking about it.
This will destroy what’s been built just talking about. I’m not giving up anything more than BI straight up for 2-3 years of a 34 year old KD.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:44 pm to Fox McCloud
quote:
Really sucks to hear that we are trying to throw Herb Jones and BI in the trade for KD. Either make the trade straight up for BI or stop fricking talking about it.
Where are you seeing this?
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:44 pm to Fox McCloud
quote:
Really sucks to hear that we are trying to throw Herb Jones and BI in the trade for KD.
What are you talking about
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:47 pm to Fun Bunch
BR just reported Pels are still eyeing KD. Yeah BR but probably has some truth to it.
Winfield noted that the Pels could offer a trade that checks those boxes with the inclusion of a former All-Star in Brandon Ingram, plus Herbert Jones, Devonte' Graham, Jose Alvarado and draft picks acquired as part of previous trades with the Los Angeles Lakers and Milwaukee Bucks.
Could be Winfield just adding his own trade but either way I’m tired of hearing about us entertaining it.
Winfield noted that the Pels could offer a trade that checks those boxes with the inclusion of a former All-Star in Brandon Ingram, plus Herbert Jones, Devonte' Graham, Jose Alvarado and draft picks acquired as part of previous trades with the Los Angeles Lakers and Milwaukee Bucks.
Could be Winfield just adding his own trade but either way I’m tired of hearing about us entertaining it.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:48 pm to Fox McCloud
Yeah no.
Just because we have the assets doesn’t mean we will trade them for a broken down emotional lesbian.
Is KD worth BI? One could debate that.
Adding in Herb, Grand Theft Alvarado, and the rest of our cache from the Lake Show and Bucks? frick no.
Not that I see BI as expendable as much as I see KD as a comparable piece. But I don’t see BI plus significant other assets as being an acceptable deal.
Just because we have the assets doesn’t mean we will trade them for a broken down emotional lesbian.
Is KD worth BI? One could debate that.
Adding in Herb, Grand Theft Alvarado, and the rest of our cache from the Lake Show and Bucks? frick no.
Not that I see BI as expendable as much as I see KD as a comparable piece. But I don’t see BI plus significant other assets as being an acceptable deal.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:06 pm to Fox McCloud
quote:anybody can use the trade machine brah. the pels COULD offer all of that, but they havent. if they had, the deal would have long been done
Could be Winfield just adding his own trade but either way I’m tired of hearing about us entertaining it.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:08 pm to cgrand
Nets wanted a bidding war.
From what has been said, teams made their offers and then the Nets expected them to get higher. Has not happened. Instead, they lost leverage when Ayton signed.
From what has been said, teams made their offers and then the Nets expected them to get higher. Has not happened. Instead, they lost leverage when Ayton signed.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:09 pm to cgrand
I'm not sure how many pages back it is, but several weeks ago it came out that BI was not going to be included in any KD trades. If KD does get traded to the Pels it won't be because we finally put Ingram on the table, it will be because KD has made things so bad in Brooklyn that they are trading him for pennies on the dollar. And even in that situation I think we would get outbid by other teams.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:23 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Definitely
And even in that situation I think we would get outbid by other teams.
If we don't add BI or Zion(I don't think we should) I don't see any way we can give the best offer. Yes, we can offer young players and picks, but someone will put out an offer with a much better centerpiece than us in this case.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:24 pm to Fox McCloud
quote:
BR just reported Pels are still eyeing KD. Yeah BR but probably has some truth to it.
A Nets guy speculated that the Pels are still interested and then recapped the kind of trade assets they have.
Its clickbait nonsense
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:28 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Read on internet
A Nets guy speculated that the Pels are still interested and then recapped the kind of trade assets they have.
Its clickbait nonsense
Must be true
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:39 pm to shel311
hollinger with a good point
quote:
The presumptive reason for the Nets not to tank is that their next five drafts are owed to the Houston Rockets as a result of the 2021 trade for Harden. But Brooklyn can still get a high lottery pick in 2023. Yes, the Nets have an unprotected pick swap with Houston in the upcoming draft, but that still likely results in a great pick if the Nets are bad. The Rockets are building up their young talent, but they’re not exactly poised to run roughshod over the West just yet; Houston went 20-62 last season and traded its leading scorer for the 26th pick in the draft.
Thus, a one-season tank might actually be the best way for the Nets to maximize their return on a Durant trade demand. If Durant holds out and the Nets trade Irving to the Lakers for a Russell Westbrook-led package, this Nets team has all the necessary ingredients to bottom out for a year.
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