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re: the 2020 fake trade thread
Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:00 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:00 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Jrue/Ingram/Zion/Gallinari/Favors.
Who do you double in that lineup? 1-4 can dribble, draw extra defenders and pass. Favors would have 100 points on 50/50 shooting
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 2:05 pm
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Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:35 pm to TigerinATL
That would be super intriguing. I love the versatility of most of our players. And I think I like the idea of gambling on Gallinari. Maybe he loves it here and re-signs....
Posted on 1/19/20 at 2:41 pm to TigerinATL
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Who do you double in that lineup? 1-4 can dribble, draw extra defenders and pass. Favors would have 100 points on 50/50 shooting
The offensive rebounds would be nuts. We would literally get every rebound.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:21 am to GOP_Tiger
OK, I want to cycle back around to this idea. I was previously operating on the assumption that Gallinari would only be a 1-year rental. Is there a possibility that we could keep him. I'm not really a cap expert, but couldn't we wait to re-sign Favors and Ingram until after signing Gallinari? If I understand things right, Ingram's cap hold would leave us space to sign Gallo, and then we can use our Bird rights on Ingram and Favors.
Oh, and I think we could make the trade easier if we don't include Melli. Can't we sign someone for $3.625 million injured player exception that we got for Miller, and then include that player in the trade instead to make the money match?
Oh, and I think we could make the trade easier if we don't include Melli. Can't we sign someone for $3.625 million injured player exception that we got for Miller, and then include that player in the trade instead to make the money match?
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:34 am to GOP_Tiger
We have $76M on the books for next year in gauranateed contracts with Jrue/Redick/Lonzo/Zion/NAW/Jaxson/Hart/Melli
Not having Melli makes it $72M, assuming he's traded for Gallo
Favors cap hold is $26M
BI's cap hold is $9M
Etwauns is $13M, so he likely ain't staying if we are trying to use our cap space to sign people.
The cap is expect to be at $121M. I didn't take into affect our draft pick, which i think counts towards the cap space.
Gallo's cap hold is $34M, which i assume would transfer to us.
I'm not sure how the cap hold works when it's higher than what you would resign the guy for, as we obviously aren't going to sign Favors to $26M, so maybe if we signed him first to a smaller deal, then resign Gallo using space, then sign BI to his deal, it could work.
And a deal for Gallo has to be Moore/Miller/Melli. Can't make it work without them salary wise, unless you send them Oak/Frank instead of Melli. And i don't think you can sign someone and immediately trade them, even if it's a mid season addition like you mentioned.
Not having Melli makes it $72M, assuming he's traded for Gallo
Favors cap hold is $26M
BI's cap hold is $9M
Etwauns is $13M, so he likely ain't staying if we are trying to use our cap space to sign people.
The cap is expect to be at $121M. I didn't take into affect our draft pick, which i think counts towards the cap space.
Gallo's cap hold is $34M, which i assume would transfer to us.
I'm not sure how the cap hold works when it's higher than what you would resign the guy for, as we obviously aren't going to sign Favors to $26M, so maybe if we signed him first to a smaller deal, then resign Gallo using space, then sign BI to his deal, it could work.
And a deal for Gallo has to be Moore/Miller/Melli. Can't make it work without them salary wise, unless you send them Oak/Frank instead of Melli. And i don't think you can sign someone and immediately trade them, even if it's a mid season addition like you mentioned.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:37 am to GOP_Tiger
Gallo would have his bird rights transferred so re-signing him wouldn't be the issue, the amount of money it would take is where the issue would come in. Currently for 20-21 we will have:
Ingram: 29 mil
Jrue: 26 mil
JJ: 13 mil
Zo: 11 mil
Zion: 10 mil
Jax: 5 mil
Nico: 4 mil
Hart: 3.5 mil
NAW: 3.5 mil
That puts us at 105 mil with only 9 players under contract (doesnt include Miller partial guarantee). The estimated cap right now is 116 mil, so say Favors gets 15 mil, we would already be at 120 million in salary with 10 players.
Gallo would command 20-25 million, which would have us right at the tax line or over it. It's to early for us to be in the LT, so our best bet is someone that's expiring, or is on a deal for 12-13 million like Covington.
As far as the injured player signing, they wouldn't be able to be traded right away.
Ingram: 29 mil
Jrue: 26 mil
JJ: 13 mil
Zo: 11 mil
Zion: 10 mil
Jax: 5 mil
Nico: 4 mil
Hart: 3.5 mil
NAW: 3.5 mil
That puts us at 105 mil with only 9 players under contract (doesnt include Miller partial guarantee). The estimated cap right now is 116 mil, so say Favors gets 15 mil, we would already be at 120 million in salary with 10 players.
Gallo would command 20-25 million, which would have us right at the tax line or over it. It's to early for us to be in the LT, so our best bet is someone that's expiring, or is on a deal for 12-13 million like Covington.
As far as the injured player signing, they wouldn't be able to be traded right away.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:48 am to Soggymoss
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Gallo would have his bird rights transferred
Are you sure he has Bird rights? I didn't think that he did.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:53 am to GOP_Tiger
If you want Favors, Zion and Ingram on the team next year, I’m not sure it would be the best idea to spend 20+ mill on Gallo, or any 3, 4, or 5.
My concern is that Gallo plays the same position as our potential franchise player. Gallo’s minutes at SF have declined each of the last 3 years, and he’s playing 98% of his minutes at the 4 this year. Further, he hasn’t had a DRtg under 110 in five years and he’s never posted a positive DBPM in his career. I’d also worry about paying a player who will be 32 by the start of next year that has had major knee issues in the past. For his career, Gallo has averaged playing in 55 games a year, has only played in over 70 games twice (last time being 71 games in 2012-13). Since the year he missed with the ACL tear, he’s averaged 52.8 games a year, with the most being 68 (to his credit was last year).
I see the intrigue as Gallo is still a prolific offensive weapon and one of the best 3pt shooters in the league, especially at his position. Playing him whenever Zion slides down to the 5 would probably lead to a ridiculous offensive output. I would worry though that we haven’t even seen the “Zion 5” experiment in practice yet, just purely hypothetical. It might take a couple of years for that to truly blossom, and by then Gallo is on the wrong side of his prime.
If we are going to add a 20+ million player, we would probably be better suited getting a player with more positional versatility that can slide up from SF to SG than down. I want to get Ingram playing more minutes at the 3 and Zion at the 4, which limits Gallo’s usefulness to this team.
My concern is that Gallo plays the same position as our potential franchise player. Gallo’s minutes at SF have declined each of the last 3 years, and he’s playing 98% of his minutes at the 4 this year. Further, he hasn’t had a DRtg under 110 in five years and he’s never posted a positive DBPM in his career. I’d also worry about paying a player who will be 32 by the start of next year that has had major knee issues in the past. For his career, Gallo has averaged playing in 55 games a year, has only played in over 70 games twice (last time being 71 games in 2012-13). Since the year he missed with the ACL tear, he’s averaged 52.8 games a year, with the most being 68 (to his credit was last year).
I see the intrigue as Gallo is still a prolific offensive weapon and one of the best 3pt shooters in the league, especially at his position. Playing him whenever Zion slides down to the 5 would probably lead to a ridiculous offensive output. I would worry though that we haven’t even seen the “Zion 5” experiment in practice yet, just purely hypothetical. It might take a couple of years for that to truly blossom, and by then Gallo is on the wrong side of his prime.
If we are going to add a 20+ million player, we would probably be better suited getting a player with more positional versatility that can slide up from SF to SG than down. I want to get Ingram playing more minutes at the 3 and Zion at the 4, which limits Gallo’s usefulness to this team.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 9:55 am
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:04 am to Baron
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New Orleans Pelicans
While the plan was for Darius Miller to contribute to the Pelicans this season, his contract always lined up with the “walking trade exception” concept and it could make sense for David Griffin to make a move in the next month. Trading for someone on the books gets significantly more palatable now that Brandon Ingram has solidified his place as a long-term piece and that path allows the Pelicans to re-sign Derrick Favors and/or E’Twaun Moore with Bird rights if they are willing to accept team-friendly terms. Using Miller’s contract as a second MLE could add important depth for 2020-21 and a potential playoff push this season too.
from an athletic article, stating the obvious but bears repeating. the majority of the deadline deals are going to be in this mid-salary range, wherein the incoming player becomes a "second" NTMLE
i'm saying theres a 100% change miller's deal gets traded away, what they trade him for will be quite interesting
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:09 am to cgrand
I do agree with you that Miller will be traded to utilize the contract as a second MLE. However, I do think the timeline could be longer. If nothing is available at the deadline, the team could just hang onto him and pick up the second year team option on his contract and roll it forward to use in summer or next season deadline
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:17 am to pjk481
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I do agree with you that Miller will be traded to utilize the contract as a second MLE. However, I do think the timeline could be longer. If nothing is available at the deadline, the team could just hang onto him and pick up the second year team option on his contract and roll it forward to use in summer or next season deadline
Or go get a guy like Gibson, who basically has the same contract, and can actually play.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:18 am to GOP_Tiger
Yes, his deal was a 3 year contract when he signed it which gives him bird rights no matter who he's traded to while on that particular deal
One other factor to look at with him is at 31 he will want one final big deal, so he will cost alot to resign and probably want 4 years
One other factor to look at with him is at 31 he will want one final big deal, so he will cost alot to resign and probably want 4 years
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 10:20 am
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:23 am to cgrand
quote:A guy I would be interested in would be Bjelica from the Kings if they decide to start dumping salaries. He reminds me of a Mirotic-type that would be a solid bench player/spot starter as needed. Something like Miller and a 2nd or Miller and Jackson for him would be a decent trade (and he is on the books for a reasonable amount next year).
from an athletic article, stating the obvious but bears repeating. the majority of the deadline deals are going to be in this mid-salary range, wherein the incoming player becomes a "second" NTMLE
i'm saying theres a 100% change miller's deal gets traded away, what they trade him for will be quite interesting
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:24 am to pjk481
I have had that thought in the back of my mind too. I could see them holding Miller till draft day. The draft is on 6/25 and the team does not have to decide to pick up his second year until July 8th.
I can’t find the exact date that the moratorium ends this year, but last year it ended July 6 (though the draft was on 6/20), so I’m not sure how it fits with free agency.
I can’t find the exact date that the moratorium ends this year, but last year it ended July 6 (though the draft was on 6/20), so I’m not sure how it fits with free agency.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:25 am to Baron
quote:
If you want Favors, Zion and Ingram on the team next year, I’m not sure it would be the best idea to spend 20+ mill on Gallo, or any 3, 4, or 5.
Do you really think Gallo is going to get 20M+. Redick got an overpay at $13M. I can't see Gallo fetching more than $15M. His defense is terrible, he's aging, and he's got a history of missing a bunch of games every year. There's no way someone is giving him $20M. Bogdonavich signed for 4/73 and he's a much better player than Gallo, with a much better injury history. Danny Green was a 2/30 deal and is a much better defender.
I can't see anyone giving him 3 years, and i think 2/30 is about his max.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:26 am to NOSHAU
agree on the player but sacto has like 14 2nd round picks in the next few drafts. they are going to want players not picks...so yes, miller & jackson could work i guess.
remember the pels also have the disabled player exception available to them (3.5MMish). they can accept a player on the last year of his deal into the exception assuming they have a roster spot
remember the pels also have the disabled player exception available to them (3.5MMish). they can accept a player on the last year of his deal into the exception assuming they have a roster spot
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:35 am to TeddyPadillac
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Do you really think Gallo is going to get 20M+
Probably not, you might be right that he is more likely closer to 18 than 20, maybe even 15. I was guessing what it would take to get him to for sure re-sign with the Pels. In a weak FA summer this year, I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that someone throws a 3/60+ offer at him, or 4/73 like Bogdon got, or even a 2/30 like you suggested (though I think he’ll for sure get more than this), then what do you do? My point still stands that I don’t think we want to pay him what he is going to go for.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 10:41 am
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:43 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Overpay? I do not think that qualifies as an overpay.
Redick got an overpay at $13M.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:43 am to TeddyPadillac
Someone like Atlanta will throw money around. Trae is unhappy with the team and they know they need to get vets.
I could easily see them throwing a 3/60 at Gallo and a max at Drummond
I could easily see them throwing a 3/60 at Gallo and a max at Drummond
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