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re: the 2020 fake trade thread

Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:51 am to
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:51 am to
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Redick got an overpay at $13M.

Overpay? I do not think that qualifies as an overpay.

redick is 122/265 (.460) in 3PT% thus far, second to george hill on 150 more attempts. i'd say thats 13MM well spent
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 10:54 am
Posted by Baron
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:56 am to
Gibson is by far my favorite trade target, but for those willing to deal the assets that it takes to get Gallo, would you also consider Bogdon Bondonavic? He fits better positionally with what we need, can be a shooter and also create a little on the wing, he’s 27 so his time lines up better with our other players, and I believe we would get his full bird rights on a trade with Sac.

He turned down the max extension they were allowed to offer already (4/51) so we’d most likely have to pay more than that to get him. Though he started off slow, he is playing a lot better lately, but didn’t take that next step I think people were expecting. Would anyone give up Miller and 2 2nds for Bogdon knowing that you’d have to pay him at least 3/45 - 4/60?
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:02 am to
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Would anyone give up Miller and 2 2nds for Bogdon

that wont get it done.
as noted before that have more 2nds than they can use.
they'll want a 1st.

so, would you trade miller & the 2020 1st for him?
or a future 1st?
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:03 am to
Sacramento already has like 14 2nds the next 5 years

They will want 1st rounders in any deal for Bogdan.

The reason Bogdan turned down the 4/51 is because he wants more than that. Right now that's the most he could be offered, but this offseason he can be offered a full max of any team wants.

He will get north of 25 million IMO, and that's just out of our range of a deal to bring on as it would out us in the tax
Posted by NOSHAU
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:05 am to
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He will get north of 25 million IMO,
I can't see anyone paying him over $25 million. He does not do enough to warrant that kind of money.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:08 am to
It's a bit of an overpay for a 35 year old guy that cannot play defense, and it's for 2 years, when his previous two contracts were for just 1 year. Philly gave him 1 year $13M last year. How many teams you think were offering him 2/26 this offseason?

I'm not crying about his contract, just trying to put Gallo's value in perspective. I'm very happy we have JJ, and i don't have a problem with his contract.

George Hill signed a 3/28 deal this offseason, with the 3rd year not guaranteed, so it was really a 2/19.


I just don't see Gallo getting a 3 year deal at his age and injury history, unless the third year isn't guaranteed.
Mirotic was expected to get about $14M a year for his new deal, and instead opted to sign a 6 year $80M deal in Spain, which no one could blame him for, but him and Gallo are pretty similar players. Yeah Gallo is a better scorer/shooter, but Niko wasn't a bad defender at all and while he didn't shoot 40% from 3, the thing about his shot is he got it up very quickly which made defenders stay close to him off the ball.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:08 am to
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He does not do enough to warrant that kind of money.


Isn't he a big-time ball hog? I'm not sure that he even fits with our strategy.
Posted by Baron
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:11 am to
Yeah, I forgot that Sac was swimming in 2nds like the Pels. I agree that it isn’t likely, and I wouldn’t do it. Was making more of a point that if you really wanted Gallo, you should be wishing for Bogdon instead. Just like the discussion going on.

Don’t think he gets anywhere close to 25m+, was thinking at LEAST 15m but could see it get up to 18-20 if something crazy happens this summer.
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:13 am to
He doesn't do enough to warrant it, but teams will throw money around in weak FA markets..

They come to regret it later, but time and time again it's been proven that when there is money teams will throw it around..

Now will he get 25+ on a multiyear deal, probably not, but on a 1-2 year deal someone will do it
Posted by Baron
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:15 am to
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Isn't he a big-time ball hog?


He has a 20% assist rate which is about what Ingram has at about 6% less usage rate. Has a 4.6 career assists per 36 and a 2:1 ast/tov ratio per 36. So not anything that jumps out at me, but I’ll admit I haven’t seen him play more than a few games this year.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 11:18 am
Posted by Baron
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:20 am to
You really think someone will give him 2/50-60m this summer?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:23 am to
I'd really like to take a chance on Aaron Gordon. His 3 point% is pitiful right now, and it was never really great, just adequate, but i have so much confidence in Vinson to get him to a level that's more than acceptable. If he could shoot 36-38% from 3, that would be spectacular for him and his athleticism.

I'd love to see a lineup with a good shooting Gordon with Lonzo/Jrue/Ingram/Zion.
I just see Zion coming off picks to receive a pass around the free throw line to attack the goal and everyone collapsing preventing the pass, and then Gordon following the same pick and being wide open with an easy path to the basket.

I don't know what kind of work ethic Gordon has, or how he is in the lockerroom, but that is very important to me in who we add to this team.

I do'nt think i'd be willing to give up a 1st for him, and i doubt they would take Clevelands two 2nds. Maybe a heavy protected first this year, and slightly protected first next year would suffice for me. Something like protected this year for 1-20, and next year 1-10
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:27 am to
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I haven’t seen him play more than a few games this year.

Neither have I, and I was just going off of a general impression, so ignore my previous comment.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:28 am to
There's alot of money available (something like 12-13 teams with over 30 million in cap space) in a VERY weak FA market..

Like, this market is so weak Andre Drummond is pretty much the crown jewel (assuming AD stays in LA)

Bogdan is in the top 3 of available FA's, assuming Hayward, Porter Jr, and Derozen pick up their player options.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 11:33 am
Posted by LosLobos111
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:30 am to
What about Marvin Williams or Ersan Illyasova?



Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:37 am to
Do you really want to give up Miller/Moore just to get Marvin? kind of a wash there. I mean i wouldn't be upset about it, but i'd rather use Miller in a different way and keep Moore.

The Bucks aren't trading Illyasova.
Posted by Baron
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:49 am to
I like Marvin Williams and is the kind of peripheral move I think the Pels will (and should) make. Guys like Gibson, Morris, and Williams all add something to the team without costing any real pieces.

To get Williams, the Pels would have to send Miller + either Moore (which isn’t worth it), Melli (might cost more depending on view of Melli), or any two of Okafor/Jackson/Kenrich. Williams’ best defensive days are definitely behind him, but he checks a lot of boxes for this team.

He’s willing to come off the bench and get less than 20 minutes a game, he’s actually played almost 1/3 of his minutes at center this year, he’s still a pretty good 3pt shooter (37% on 3pa) especially from the corner (34% of his 3s making them at 53%), and even though he’s taking less and less shots around the rim, he’s finishing them at a high rate still. His shooting and positional versatility makes him a good fit for Zion (if we want to try and sneak some minutes for Zion to eat against second units) or on the second unit with Hayes. We could do a lot worse than Williams.

Ersan is having a great season for MIL, and though he’d be a good, small move, I don’t think they’d give give him up at a cost that would make sense for the Pels.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 11:55 am
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:47 pm to
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Largest Trade Exceptions in the NBA
(*** = expires at the Trade Deadline):
1. GSW - $17.2M - A. Iguodala
2. DAL - $11.8M - H. Barnes ***
3. OKC - $10.4M - P. George
4. OKC - $9.3M - J. Grant
5. POR - $7.1M - K. Bazemore
6. MIA - $6.3M - W. Ellington ***
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:53 pm to
None of those teams are using those. Maybe Dallas.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:56 pm to
It would be smart of Dallas to try to absorb Rose into that exception

Everyone else will let it expire though as they're all tax teams, except for GS who's hard capped
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